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[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Because we will play Goodes in the ruck and create an advantage against the slower WC ruckmen. He wont win every contest, but win enough to give us a break-even in the ruck and a steady flow to the forward line.

Because the forwards will kick a lot straighter. We have had enough opportunities to score over the past five rounds, and conversion has been the major factor in the large margins.

Because Schauble is back and will muster the defence a lot better. Our backline is suddenly more even and experienced than their forwards, and IMO has more talent.

Because Subi will suit our forward line more, and prevent us from employing the tactics we have tried at home that have made it harder for us to score.

Its not blind... I concede we will more than likely lose. I rate us at 10% to win. But even the most ardent critics doing their (formal) reviews elsewhere only give us a 40point margin. Predicting a 10+ goal loss shows a distinct lack of faith in the players, and is frankly insulting, even if it is the truth at the end of the day.

Blind pessimism serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever to the team or other supporters.

As for purpose, as ROK says, none of it does. It all about sharing opinions.

WRT your other comments:

- we 'will' kick straighter?? We might and hopefully we will, but it's not a given. Still, even if we do it's not guarantee we will get that close - St Kilda smashed us in the final last year with 11 more scoring shots and Adelaide beat us with 6 more scoring shots. Accuracy wouldn't have helped a great deal there.

- Having Schauble back will definitely help - we'll see how much. I don't think our backline has been our major problem though.

- Perhaps the bigger ground might help our forwards, although it's typically been better at home. That would also entail a change in game plan.

- A lot of pressure on Goodes who has been out of form for quite a while. If he plays to his Brownlow best then he can make a difference.

So, there are a lot of ifs. No one picked WC to beat Brisbane by 71 pts either. Experts very very rarely pick margins greater than 7 goals. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen though. If it's the truth, I'm not quite sure how it is insulting. I think it would be more insulting to the supporters if the players play like a bunch of idiots and lose by 10+ goals.

[Wazza]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Because we will play Goodes in the ruck and create an advantage against the slower WC ruckmen. He wont win every contest, but win enough to give us a break-even in the ruck and a steady flow to the forward line.

Because the forwards will kick a lot straighter. We have had enough opportunities to score over the past five rounds, and conversion has been the major factor in the large margins.

Because Schauble is back and will muster the defence a lot better. Our backline is suddenly more even and experienced than their forwards, and IMO has more talent.

Because Subi will suit our forward line more, and prevent us from employing the tactics we have tried at home that have made it harder for us to score.

Its not blind... I concede we will more than likely lose. I rate us at 10% to win. But even the most ardent critics doing their (formal) reviews elsewhere only give us a 40point margin. Predicting a 10+ goal loss shows a distinct lack of faith in the players, and is frankly insulting, even if it is the truth at the end of the day.

Blind pessimism serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever to the team or other supporters.

Just here to keep it real

SWANS SUC

Cheers

Waz

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Purpose? There is a purpose? Sorry, I thought this was a forum where people with a Swans orientated interest in AFL threw around ideas and opinions, and shared their grief.

That is not a purpose?? What is?

FWIW I participate in these forums for the same reasons you listed above. I dont appreciate people who crap all over others positive opinions, hopes and wishes, because its pointless, selfish and soul-destroying. And for those who think that "realism" (read pessimism) is somehow a motivating factor for the team or its supporters, I dare you to go out and make a living out of it. Anthony Robbins would laugh at you.

I try to consider that my $800 a year in membership fees, my $200 odd a year in merchandise purchases, my butt in a home ground seat every second week, and my positive vocal support for my team count for something. That it serves a "purpose". And I accept that there are others who do FAR more for the club... and good on em. I even accept that some supporters have a totally selfish reason for supporting the club, but with the lack of success we have seen over the years, they must be diehards.

Critical analysis of startegy and opinion is fine, slagging the team and other supporters is poor form IMO. And the purpose it "serves" is negative and destructive. To the players and staff who read these posts, and other supporters who like to keep their hope and faith alive.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
I dare you to go out and make a living out of it. Anthony Robbins would laugh at you.

LOL!

Obviously the Swans have been reading "Limited Success" or "Unleash the Flood" or "7 Habits of Highly Ineffective Players" or "You can Afford the Luxury of a Negative Game Plan"

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Anthony Robbins would laugh at you.

That bloke who has made himself millions preying on the insecurity, vulnerability and greed of middle America? I'll bend over for him if he can play CHB like Roos did.

FWIW I think you take me (and probably yourself) far too seriously. If you find the crap of someone refering to himself as Mr Lobster destroying your hopes, wishes, dream and soul, perhaps it is time you looked at things from a slightly different angle. I do not set out to 'motivate' anybody. It is hard enough motivating myself. I'm only here now because I could not be bothered getting another beer. I also think you need to read around the boards a little more, rather than focus on the posts that respond directly to you. You may see that I have been constructively critical on a number of occassions, and have made the odd witty remark here and there.

I also fail to see how constantly putting my head in the sand and saying we are going to be alright is in any way positive, how it will help the team succeed, the other supporters feel better, or serve any purpose whatsoever...

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Experts very very rarely pick margins greater than 7 goals. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen though.

Interesting enough, the most commonly occurring margin in the history of VFL/AFL football is 1 point. This came from a guy who has stats galore and is on SEN each week.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
It will rain, and there is no way we'll let it blow out that far. No more than three goals at the most.

No way? Not quite...

Because we will play Goodes in the ruck and create an advantage against the slower WC ruckmen.

Not really...

He wont win every contest, but win enough to give us a break-even in the ruck and a steady flow to the forward line.

Plenty of I50s but completely ineffective.

Because the forwards will kick a lot straighter. We have had enough opportunities to score over the past five rounds, and conversion has been the major factor in the large margins.

Told you 'will' was too strong - poor kicking again.

Because Schauble is back and will muster the defence a lot better. Our backline is suddenly more even and experienced than their forwards, and IMO has more talent.

Made little difference.

Because Subi will suit our forward line more, and prevent us from employing the tactics we have tried at home that have made it harder for us to score.

Our forward line looked all at sea.

Didn't make 10 goals, but it looked like it would a couple of times. Lucky it was wet...

[Bleed Red Blood]

Sydney suck.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Didn't make 10 goals, but it looked like it would a couple of times. Lucky it was wet...

Either way it was a 68pt loss.

We did kick straighter, and the backline did well to stop the supply from being marked.

Goodes did give us an advantage quite often, but without any support he tired and became less effective.

But then I knew you'd be on here rubbing in the fact that my hopes were dashed. As long as it makes you happy.

[NMWBloods]

Just pointing out that being like Dorothy doesn't necessarily work...

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
FWIW I think you take me (and probably yourself) far too seriously. If you find the crap of someone refering to himself as Mr Lobster destroying your hopes, wishes, dream and soul, perhaps it is time you looked at things from a slightly different angle. I do not set out to 'motivate' anybody. It is hard enough motivating myself. I'm only here now because I could not be bothered getting another beer. I also think you need to read around the boards a little more, rather than focus on the posts that respond directly to you. You may see that I have been constructively critical on a number of occassions, and have made the odd witty remark here and there.

Yeah you used to be quite witty, now just pessimistic. I read almost all of the threads regularly, and see what you write and have down since I joined.

I call myself a supporter and the meaning of the word is self-evident. Not sure what others on here call themselves - masochists?

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Just pointing out that being like Dorothy doesn't necessarily work...

Really?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Really?

Well, you seemed to enjoy telling us exactly the way it was going to be and we were wrong to believe it was going to be different. Just wishing it so doesn't make it so.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Well, you seemed to enjoy telling us exactly the way it was going to be and we were wrong to believe it was going to be different. Just wishing it so doesn't make it so.

No I said that we wouldn't allow it to blow out to a ten goal margin. When you asked why I added that I thought it would be a three goal match. There was no wishing there, just my analysis. And it wasn't any further off than anyone else's.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
No I said that we wouldn't allow it to blow out to a ten goal margin. When you asked why I added that I thought it would be a three goal match. There was no wishing there, just my analysis. And it wasn't any further off than anyone else's.

No you said - "there is no way we'll let it blow out that far. No more than three goals at the most."

It wasn't so much just an analysis as telling us what 'will' happen and that our views are annoying if we didn't believe this too.

7.3 goals is closer to 10 than 3 and the only reason it didn't reach 10 was because of the weather, not anything we did.