Goalkicking.

[Snowy]

Your leading is also dictated by the limitations of those kicking it. How many of the midfielders could kick long to a contest anyway?

[giant]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Surely the forwards have been instructed to play the way they are playing? I don't wholly blame them for the results.

Why "surely"? I would very much doubt that this is the Roos game plan. Bu I do agree that it's not completely the frwds fault. No qn that they are leading where they are because of confusion further up the field.

NTL, it's also clear that the forwards are not kicking with any confidence either. At the Melbourne game, Hall, who is an excellent set shot normally, was clearly stabbing at his kicks. Magic, who is an exquisite kick, has not looked like converting a set shot since he returned (tho admittedly he has hit the post a few times).

Generally, another symptom of a team down on their confidence.

[LittleSchneider]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Often you need to lead to where there is space and where the midfield is heading to or coming from.

It's not necessarily the forwards who are totally or primarily at fault.

Exactly. The space is created by the movement of players. Therefore everyone needs to make leads - (a) in order for space to be created and (b) others can lead into the space created.

If only three or four players lead it doesnt work - everyone needs to lead together - generally in patterns - in order for a forward line and midfield to work effectively.

[Vivien]

Originally posted by punter257
its all to do with the way we are playing (not good obviously) and confidence. go up the guts!

it sounds easy to do but we just need some confidence and something to click really.

2 years ago davis, hall and schneider didnt miss and this year is totally different

I'm with you punter. Confidence is definitely the issue (or one of the major ones). I think due to our defensive straegies, we are also just not making enough opportunties to kick goals. We can't expect to kick 8 goals and win a match.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by giant
Why "surely"?

Because it has gone on for six rounds. If the forwards did their own thing for one week, then it would be their fault if it didn't work but if they play consistently in unusual positions then it must be coaching / strategy. If (for example) it isn't a coaching plan for Hall to leave the forward 50, wouldn't they tell him to stay inside?

I would very much doubt that this is the Roos game plan

I have only seen one live game so I am no expert (hopefully there will be a few multi-screen games on Fox Footy when we play in Melbourne), but on the weekend, the Swans forwards were drifting forward en-masse when the ball was in the other half of the ground and then drifting back as the ball approached (slowly up the wing). It seemed very deliberate to me. The WCE forwards were in a small pack in their goal square and led out as the ball approached. If the Swans forwards have been told to gather in the square and lead out to meet the ball, they should all be sacked.

[giant]

[i]

I have only seen one live game so I am no expert (hopefully there will be a few multi-screen games on Fox Footy when we play in Melbourne), but on the weekend, the Swans forwards were drifting forward en-masse when the ball was in the other half of the ground and then drifting back as the ball approached (slowly up the wing). It seemed very deliberate to me. [/B]

Does this strike you as a strange game plan? It would certainly be unique I suspect.

Isn't it more likely that the forwards have gone up the grd looking 4 a kick & then had to double back when the kick's gone short or the long kick went astray (as it did on virtually every forward sortie I saw on Sat)?

Like you I've only seen the one game (v Melb) & the frwd structure didnt look like this. May have been something specifically designed for Subi of course.

[Sanecow]

Maybe a Subi thing or a wet weather thing or maybe this was the match where the forwards did their own thing. Unfortunately the tv doesn't let you watch the forwards when the ball is somewhere else.

[dendol]

I know the forwards have been kicking poorly and the midfield delivery has been terrible, but does anyone have stats for rushed behinds? There were plenty in the Melbourne game especially.

To me, rushed behinds tell me that we have been bombing the ball long into the goalsquare, but our crumbers haven't been first to the ball.

Does it make a big difference to not include rushed behinds in our analysis of accuracy in front of goal?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by dendol
I know the forwards have been kicking poorly and the midfield delivery has been terrible, but does anyone have stats for rushed behinds? There were plenty in the Melbourne game especially.

To me, rushed behinds tell me that we have been bombing the ball long into the goalsquare, but our crumbers haven't been first to the ball.

Does it make a big difference to not include rushed behinds in our analysis of accuracy in front of goal?

http://redandwhiteonline.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=117538#post117538

[dendol]

haha thanks NMW.

[ScottH]

According to Champion data stats, Hall has kicked 6 goals from straight in front. The rest (of 16) have been from wide out on the flanks or in the pockets.