Team vs Port

[robbieando]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
[B]Please. Judd has so much speed his weight is irrelevant. Davey or Lovett are more reasonable comparisons to Judd. McVeigh is not.

Which was my point. You can't say Moore and McVeigh are reasonable comparisons to judge whether McVeigh's biggest problem is his weight.

The pushing off the ball might be because of his lack of senior football and isn't use to playing against people who aren't farmers, maybe the more gametime he gets at senior level might mean he learns how to stop being pushed off the ball. As it is I don't see it as a major problem and I can't understand his lack of gametime while Willo is out injured. We need more offensive midfielders, not more short defensive midfielders and I would of thought McVeigh fits the bill.

Plus I don't know about you, but I can't see how his confidence can improve if he is in and out of the senior team.

Give him time and he'll improve. Until then those you who complain about him should cut him some slack until you know what he is capable of for a FULL MATCH.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by robbieando
The pushing off the ball might be because of his lack of senior football and isn't use to playing against people who aren't farmers, maybe the more gametime he gets at senior level might mean he learns how to stop being pushed off the ball.

Whereas the other Jarred seems just fine with the physicality. Maybe its just he is not heavy or strong enough, and everything else is an excuse.

He should be happy... weight can be added, skill is much harder to improve.

[LittleSchneider]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
McVeigh > Schneider in oh so many ways. He consistently gets the sharp end of the pineapple from Roos. I hope if he doesn't make it here this year he looks for another club. What is your view LS, you must have watched his development closely to have such a firm opinion on the matter.

Dont have to watch his development to see how he plays the game.
And did I say mcveigh < schneider anywhere?

If McVeigh suffers from a low work rate than thats his own fault! If hes not getting game time for that reason than only he can change that - you cant blame Roos!

To mind, especially last year, he seemed to lack of bit of vision going forward. Now ROK your probably going to shoot me down in flames - but Im speaking from experience and the fact that I play a forward/striker. So I may read the game a bit differently to you but that doesnt mean I cant read it at all - the game, in itself, is not that dissimiliar to hockey. (And yes you will probably argue that but I have you ever watched elite hockey?)

I also think McVeigh lacks genuine pace. And this season has wasted so many opportunities and has looked like doing nothing when on the field.

His skills, apart from the above, are very good - but still needs a lot of work before you can start saying his irreplaceable.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by LittleSchneider
the game, in itself, is not that dissimiliar to hockey. (And yes you will probably argue that but I have you ever watched elite hockey?)

Having played a bit of hockey myself (though I never got a team tracksuit so I don't know if it was at an 'elite' level) I think the games, other than that they involve putting a ball between two posts, have just about nothing in common.

I and a few others think McVeigh needs more experience in order to improve and experience in where it is tough so that he learns how to position his body a little better to ride the bumps and use the weight he has to help hold his ground. I think it has nothing to do with his work ethic. Hard work is way over rated as a sporting characteristic anyway.

The opportunities he has had this year have been limited, to say the least. He has been given minimal game time in a, at times, highly disfunctional team. I have never noticed a lack of pace from him, but you could be right. I hope I get to see him again to have a closer look.

I am still at odds to see the similarities between hockey and footy. Last time I played hockey the whistle blew if I kicked the ball...

[Barry Schneider]

Getting back to the topic Roos is quoted in the SMH as saying that Ball is unlikely to play this week.
So I hope that means Vogels stays in.

[LittleSchneider]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster

I am still at odds to see the similarities between hockey and footy. Last time I played hockey the whistle blew if I kicked the ball...

That is exceptional narrow minded.
Guess you never played striker then did you! The ideas of leading, creating the space, leading back away from your goals and then having to turn an opponent, the idea of using the wing to spread your opponent and then cut back inside the center corridor, the angles and lines that need to be run in order to avade a defender etc etc. They are a big part of both games!

If I see similarities what gives you the right to say Im wrong! I could outpoint you in this topic, even if you think I cant in any other!

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by LittleSchneider
That is exceptional narrow minded.
Guess you never played striker then did you! The ideas of leading, creating the space, leading back away from your goals and then having to turn an opponent, the idea of using the wing to spread your opponent and then cut back inside the center corridor, the angles and lines that need to be run in order to avade a defender etc etc. They are a big part of both games!

If I see similarities what gives you the right to say Im wrong! I could outpoint you in this topic, even if you think I cant in any other!

I think your similarities are pretty one dimensional. You could say that footy was like playing tips if it just about getting away from a defender. As an inner I would not like to pass to a striker leading up the ground at me. A clean trap is not the same as a mark. I'd rather a player going with the run of the ball. All the lines and angles are different, not the least because the shape of the ground is different. Hockey is much more about possession and keepings off than footy should be. Hockey is less about strength etc etc etc etc. I suppose cricket is like baseball too etc etc etc...

[LittleSchneider]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
I think your similarities are pretty one dimensional. You could say that footy was like playing tips if it just about getting away from a defender. As an inner I would not like to pass to a striker leading up the ground at me. A clean trap is not the same as a mark. I'd rather a player going with the run of the ball. All the lines and angles are different, not the least because the shape of the ground is different. Hockey is much more about possession and keepings off than footy should be. Hockey is less about strength etc etc etc etc. I suppose cricket is like baseball too etc etc etc...

LESS ABOUT STRENGTH! Thats why the hockeyroos look like tanks than is it! Strength in the tackle, strength on the ball!
As for leading TOWARDS the ball - that is something you teach minkey players! If a halfback or fullback has the ball a striker needs to lead TOWARDS the ball (i.e AWAY FROM THE GOAL YOU ARE SHOOTING AT). Standing still makes it easier for a defender to get in front. So, many times, you need to lead back towards the ball in order to recieve it!
Lines and angles different? Its very much a side to side movement - stretching the defensive with the three strikers working together, i.e leading, in order to create space.
So this is 1D? I just thought it was kinda the basic strategies/skills of both sports really - the fundamentals. Of course the higher-order skills are different and the essential concepts are aswell - but hockey and soccer are similiar for the same reason!
An angle is an angle - the line that cuts out the defender is not going to change between sports! 45 degree angles work in hockey, soccer, waterpolo, afl, rugby union/league etc etc
Sports can overlap - and if you cant see it, then I guess typing it across to you isnt going to show you! Maybe you should at least TRY looking at it from this perspective.

[ROK Lobster]

Sure they are similar. But all sports are similar are they not. You might say hockey and netball are similar, or footy and netball. Barry Hall is the GA, Goodes is the C etc etc. Personally I always found hockey a good way to keep my eye in for my preferred cricket. There are similarities there too. But really they are all very different games. If leading, doubling back and finding space are all that is involved in either game then I guess they are the same. Maybe McVeigh better come train with you.

[motorace_182]

What about Ultimate Frisbee, thats similar to footy...

[Sanecow]

Ultimate Frisbee is more like Ultimate Fighter.

[NMWBloods]

I think Nine Men's Morris is really similar to football, in fact it's how I used to train for basketball...

[smasher]

I noticed last Saturday that at 3/4 time Moore had had only 20 minutes game time and that definately was an assett for us in the last quarter.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I'm not completely convinced that the height and weight listed in the Record are all that accurate.