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  • Guzzitza
    On the Rookie List
    • Apr 2005
    • 272

    Roos latest - gameplan wont change

    Sydney Needs Run from Firing Line

    coach Paul Roos said despite the media scrutiny their "ugly" style won't change even if they acquire a star midfielder.
    "The effort was probably there again on Saturday night, but just that skill level and that elite talent through that midfield area really sort of caught us out."

    Clearly no change of strategy in sight. Its still skill errors and our lack of talent that is the only thing holding us back according to Roos. Looks like more frustrating games in the future...
    I'm Flyin' High...
  • ROK Lobster
    RWO Life Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 8658

    #2
    Paul, your needle is stuck. Your personality is seeping into the gameplan.

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    • Mike_B
      Peyow Peyow
      • Jan 2003
      • 6267

      #3
      "The effort was probably there again on Saturday night, but just that skill level and that elite talent through that midfield area really sort of caught us out."
      Well what is the club doing to address this? There really is no excuse for poor skills being an issue year after year after year. A star midfielder is a little harder to solve the issue of, because drafting/trading isn't something you can do in isolation.

      I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

      If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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      • Mike_B
        Peyow Peyow
        • Jan 2003
        • 6267

        #4
        "Most of the guys we have at the moment, I love them as players but are more inside Brett Kirk, Jude Bolton, Jared Crouch, Ben Mathews and Luke Ablett. There is not a lot of outside run."
        I never thought I'd see myself saying this, but how long till Fosdike is back? At least there has never been any perception of him being anything but an outside midfielder. At least if he was out there the lack of running midfielders would be another excuse that was null and void.

        I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

        If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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        • Guzzitza
          On the Rookie List
          • Apr 2005
          • 272

          #5
          shifting responsibility..

          "As much as we think we're geniuses as coaches, individual players can have much more impact on a game of football than what Paul Roos can.
          is it just me, or does this comment seem like hes trying to shirk responsiblity back on to the players, ie. suggesting that really, as coach he doesnt have much of an influence over the game..
          if so, thats worrying.

          And agree with you Mike_B, Roos cant consistently spurt out these excuses and then not doing anything about it! Hes been saying this crap all season - surely if we dont have talent in the midfield then we should be trying to blood some younger guys in there to see if they can step up to the task. I realise that this has sort of been happening with Schneider and McVeigh, but really if hes going to be serious about it, he has to give more gametime to McVeigh and accept that Schneider is best suited as a forward crumber. Time to give Moore MORE gametime, he looked promising. Spriggs looked to be a failure, so who does that leave? I cant comment on others in the reserves as Ive not seen them play, but surely there are some potentials there that aren't injured??
          I'm Flyin' High...

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          • gilze
            On the Rookie List
            • Oct 2004
            • 98

            #6
            Yeah I totally agree with giving Moore some real gametime. he looked promising and effective when he had the ball and was unfortunate to have been given such a small amount of gametime. Time to bring him back in
            Come on Magic!

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            • Matt79
              Bring it on!
              • Sep 2004
              • 3143

              #7
              This Roo's comment is more frustrating then anything...

              "The effort was probably there again on Saturday night, but just that skill level and that elite talent through that midfield area really sort of caught us out."

              Of course their effort should be good! As I have said before, we could form a RWO side to play against Carlton and our effort will be there...BUT THAT DOES NOT WIN PREMIERSHIPS!!

              Consistent "good effort" should not warrant continual senior selection (i.e buchanan).
              Swannies for life!

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              • Destructive
                Football Terrorist
                • Jan 2003
                • 976

                #8
                Originally posted by Mike_B
                Well what is the club doing to address this? There really is no excuse for poor skills being an issue year after year after year. A star midfielder is a little harder to solve the issue of, because drafting/trading isn't something you can do in isolation.
                If this gameplan continues, we will lose more than we win and then the crowds wil drop off.

                Obvious I know, but someone had to say it.
                The Destructive Dan Experience - Featuring Teal.
                Add me on Facebook - Danny Pinsuti (Except Suzi Olsen and her split personalities.)
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                • Newbie
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 720

                  #9
                  He has lost it .

                  None of the young players introduced under Roos regime has actually kicked on. All have a promising first year but since then, it was all downhill for them. LRT, Bevan, Schneider and McVeigh, you name it.

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                  • Schneiderman
                    The Fourth Captain
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 1615

                    #10
                    Good on you Paul.

                    Its not the gameplan, its the execution.

                    I'm yet to see a single "coach" on RWO come up with a truly better one.

                    The best we have to offer is "insightful" changes to the team, that are based as much on wishful thinking as blind optimism.

                    Include this article in your thinking readers, and maybe you will start to see that its not just Roos who thinks this way:

                    Our Greatest Moment:

                    Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                    • Newbie
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 720

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Schneiderman
                      Good on you Paul.

                      Its not the gameplan, its the execution.

                      I'm yet to see a single "coach" on RWO come up with a truly better one.

                      The best we have to offer is "insightful" changes to the team, that are based as much on wishful thinking as blind optimism.

                      Include this article in your thinking readers, and maybe you will start to see that its not just Roos who thinks this way:

                      http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/r...305621651.html
                      NO PLAYER COULD HAVE DEVELOPED SKILLS with that game plan. I repeat, NO PLAYER COULD HAVE DONE SO. No, I dont blame the game plan for the ugly spectacle but I do blame the game plan for its destructive impact on the basic skills of our players.

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                      • Schneiderman
                        The Fourth Captain
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 1615

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Newbie
                        All have a promising first year but since then, it was all downhill for them. LRT, Bevan, Schneider and McVeigh, you name it.
                        LRT - 2nd Rnd Draft. 21yrs. 2 full yrs of footy (but one mostly injured)
                        Bevan - Rookie elevation. 20yrs. One full year
                        Schneider - 4th Rnd Draft. 21yrs. 2 full yrs (but one injured)
                        McVeigh - 1st Rnd Darft. 20yrs. 1 full yr.

                        Give Roos a break! After one full year of footy, you can hardly expect these players to be super-stars. Otherwise they would have gone much higher on the draft.

                        Everyone agrees footballers generally peak around 26-28. Barry Hall, Leo Barry and Brett Kirk are all just coming into their own. How about we give them at least another 2-3yrs before we start to toss them aside?? Or expecting them to dominate the competition?
                        Our Greatest Moment:

                        Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                        • ROK Lobster
                          RWO Life Member
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 8658

                          #13
                          With this Saturday's opponents Carlton playing a similar shut down style the game threatens to be a hideous spectacle.
                          As Barry says, the skills were better the three games prior. The opposition was a lot worse. There was less pressure. The gameplan is boring. The gameplan is ugly. The gameplan falls apart against good teams. The gameplan is predictable. I expect us to win on Sat, probably in a tight 'gritty' match against a side we should really touch up if we are going to be a contender. Paul "it's not my fault" Roos needs to take some responsibility while he still has the respect of the majority of the players, the majority of the fans, and the club executive.

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                          • Schneiderman
                            The Fourth Captain
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1615

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Newbie
                            NO PLAYER COULD HAVE DEVELOPED SKILLS with that game plan. I repeat, NO PLAYER COULD HAVE DONE SO. No, I dont blame the game plan for the ugly spectacle but I do blame the game plan for its destructive impact on the basic skills of our players.
                            Because you assume its the "GAMEPLAN" that is to blame. Of course, noone here actually KNOWS the "GAMEPLAN", because its not written on those little cards we get as Members.

                            The Coach comes out and says: Its the skill errors
                            The Captain comes out and says: Its the skill errors
                            The supporters can clearly see: Its the skill errors

                            But the "GAMEPLAN" caused those errors? Doubt it. I think it was the players that caused them, and obviously they are working to recitify it.
                            Our Greatest Moment:

                            Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                            • Schneiderman
                              The Fourth Captain
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 1615

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                              Paul "it's not my fault" Roos needs to take some responsibility while he still has the respect of the majority of the players, the majority of the fans, and the club executive.


                              Roos admitted he often debated aspects of their game plan, but that having "41 possessions out of the 225 that didn?t hit their target or went to the opposition" made it impossible to win the game.
                              I suppose he should throw himself on his sword instead? That would make us play much better the next week? Honestly some people on this forum have never had to manage a large group of people through a difficult project, task or job. Its not as simple as standing up as coach and saying your sorry.

                              Our Greatest Moment:

                              Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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