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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16844
    #31
    Originally posted by NMWBloods
    I'm not sure if the players' performances are necessarily that strongly related to whether they were captain or not, nor whether it provides much indication of itself whether they will be a good captain.
    Something is up with the alignment of the moon and stars at the moment - I've been finding myself agreeing with you far too much recently. And I agree with both those points.

    I don't think anyone's performance while captain has been out of the norm with what we have come to expect from them and we have no evidence to suggest that captaincy had any impact on their performances.

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      • NMWBloods
        Taking Refuge!!
        • Jan 2003
        • 15819
        #32
        Originally posted by liz
        Something is up with the alignment of the moon and stars at the moment - I've been finding myself agreeing with you far too much recently.
        LOL - just one of those freaky things!
        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • chammond
            • Jan 2003
            • 1368
            #33
            Originally posted by liz
            Something is up with the alignment of the moon and stars at the moment - I've been finding myself agreeing with you far too much recently. And I agree with both those points.

            I don't think anyone's performance while captain has been out of the norm with what we have come to expect from them and we have no evidence to suggest that captaincy had any impact on their performances.
            Surely this is the whole problem with this captaincy debate . . . what do we really expect from the captain? We all seem to have strident opinions about who should or shouldn't be in the rotation, but nobody has come up with a coherent rubric for assessing performance.

            As far as I can see, the only attributes that an AFL captain must have are being a 'monty' at the selection table and being good at winning the toss. Everything else is just media hype.

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              • Mark
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Jan 2003
                • 578
                #34
                Originally posted by chammond
                but nobody has come up with a coherent rubric
                I had trouble with his cube also, could always get one side right but the others were a mess !

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                  • jermaink
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 20
                    #35
                    Is it just me, or do the Swans seem to loose the toss more times than not. Anyone got any stats?

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                      • Wil
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 619
                        #36
                        Originally posted by chammond

                        As far as I can see, the only attributes that an AFL captain must have are being a 'monty' at the selection table and being good at winning the toss. Everything else is just media hype.
                        Thats it, its all completely meaningless except for the "media duties" of the captain. Thats why I think Kirk, Goodes and Jude in that order for captain.

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819
                            #37
                            Originally posted by chammond
                            As far as I can see, the only attributes that an AFL captain must have are being a 'monty' at the selection table and being good at winning the toss. Everything else is just media hype.
                            Not sure about that. Some ex-players in the media have discussed it a bit recently and they talked about intangible leadership qualities (well, not quite with those words...).
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                              • chammond
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 1368
                                #38
                                Not sure about that. Some ex-players in the media have discussed it a bit recently and they talked about intangible leadership qualities (well, not quite with those words...).
                                What would a 'tangible' leadership quality be? A strong right hook?

                                Thats it, its all completely meaningless except for the "media duties" of the captain.


                                Looks like it has to be Bazza based on both those selection criteria

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                                  • NMWBloods
                                    Taking Refuge!!
                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 15819
                                    #39
                                    Originally posted by chammond
                                    What would a 'tangible' leadership quality be?
                                    Grab a dictionary...
                                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                                      • ROK Lobster
                                        RWO Life Member
                                        • Aug 2004
                                        • 8658
                                        #40
                                        Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                        Grab a dictionary...
                                        Now that's some substantial advice.

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                                          • chammond
                                            • Jan 2003
                                            • 1368
                                            #41
                                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                            Grab a dictionary...
                                            Wouldn't change my original question

                                            I still think that all leadership qualities are intangible, except the one that relates to the strength of your right arm.

                                            That's why discussion of leadership qualities is so nebulous . . . . and often hilarious.

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                                              • NMWBloods
                                                Taking Refuge!!
                                                • Jan 2003
                                                • 15819
                                                #42
                                                Originally posted by chammond
                                                Wouldn't change my original question

                                                I still think that all leadership qualities are intangible, except the one that relates to the strength of your right arm.

                                                That's why discussion of leadership qualities is so nebulous . . . . and often hilarious.
                                                Discussion by supporters and media is usually meaningless as outsiders don't really know much about these intangibles.

                                                Then again, all discussion is meaningless anyway as outsiders cannot influence anything anyway.

                                                It's just chat.
                                                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                                                  • LittleSchneider
                                                    On the Rookie List
                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                    • 582
                                                    #43
                                                    Originally posted by chammond

                                                    That's why discussion of leadership qualities is so nebulous . . . . and often hilarious.
                                                    And yet I still had an exam question on it on Friday......
                                                    And the man who started it, the Schneiderman, can kick his third for the quarter. And the swans are in the Grand Final!

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                                                      • chammond
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 1368
                                                        #44
                                                        Originally posted by LittleSchneider
                                                        And yet I still had an exam question on it on Friday......
                                                        Did you come up with any conclusions

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                                                          • ROK Lobster
                                                            RWO Life Member
                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                            • 8658
                                                            #45
                                                            Originally posted by LittleSchneider
                                                            And yet I still had an exam question on it on Friday......
                                                            Some sort of political science course LS? So who are the great leaders, and how did they achieve this status?

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