Umpires V Swans

[Nico]

Doesn't matter who the umps are, we will still give away too many dumb frees.

[timr]

Interesting stat for 2005 up to and including today:

Matches between Vic team and Non-Vic team at home ground of NV team - frees for and against are 485 V and 489 NV.

Matches between Vic team and Non-Vic team at home ground of Vic team - frees for and against are 468 V and 360 NV.

So where is the home of "hometown" umpiring??? Melbourne!

[NMWBloods]

For anyone who complains that we are unfairly treated, have a look at Kennelly's untidy tackle just then, resulting in a free kick and shot at goal. Typical of what happens.

[barry]

If the umpires hadnt crucified us against the tigers**, we'd be sitting 2nd at the moment, and a chance to hold it through the completion of the round.

Note: ** Anyone who doesnt think 10 extra free kicks dont influence a 1 point game is a fool.

[liz]

Originally posted by barry
Note: ** Anyone who doesnt think 10 extra free kicks dont influence a 1 point game is a fool.

Of course they do, but if the frees were mostly warranted (as they were last week) then it's a bit academic.

Don't get me started on tonight's performance by the umps though. It looked at times as if the two teams were playing by different rules in respect of holding the man and holding the ball.

[barry]

Originally posted by liz
Of course they do, but if the frees were mostly warranted (as they were last week) then it's a bit academic.

Don't get me started on tonight's performance by the umps though. It looked at times as if the two teams were playing by different rules in respect of holding the man and holding the ball.

It was exactly the same against the tigers. That last quarter charge (where we got a few our way) probably blinded many people to the unfairness before hand.

I admit our defense gives away too many. But most infringements get caught, which cant be said for the free's against our forwards.

[Glenn]

Maybe Sydney are a victim of the defense giving away to mnay frees, the Umps think Sydney play a style that over steps the rules, therefore any frees are just being "staged"
At least a 50m penalty came tonight

[anne]

The umpires penalise Sydney so much as the AFL doesn't like Sydney's perceived style of play as it doesn't make for interesting TV viewing. Thus the umpires are instructed to pay against Sydney so much so they will change their style of play. It all boils down to $$ and it stinks that one club is treated differently to others.

[floppinab]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
For anyone who complains that we are unfairly treated, have a look at Kennelly's untidy tackle just then, resulting in a free kick and shot at goal. Typical of what happens.

I thought that one was a bit more 50/50. We had a number of these ruled against us last night. Is it the tackled player feels the tackle on falls to ground taking the tackler with him, or is it the tacklers forward momentum propelling them both to the ground and therefore in the back???

Even if this should be paid as a free, then as someone else has mentioned where is the consistency???? I can remember at least 3 similar cases where we don't get paid the same free in similar situations.

[Xie Shan]

Noticed that the umpires kept getting sucked in by Chapman's dives - he sure seems to go to ground a lot. I thought Cats were supposed to land on their feet?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by floppinab
I thought that one was a bit more 50/50. We had a number of these ruled against us last night. Is it the tackled player feels the tackle on falls to ground taking the tackler with him, or is it the tacklers forward momentum propelling them both to the ground and therefore in the back???

Even if this should be paid as a free, then as someone else has mentioned where is the consistency???? I can remember at least 3 similar cases where we don't get paid the same free in similar situations.

It happens a bit and can be frustrating when it is simply momentum. But a good tackler will try to turn the player so they land on their side rather than obviously hit them right in the middle of the back.

[cruiser]

While one might argue that many of the umpires decisions to pay frees against Sydney were technically correct (but a lot were really bloody soft), its the lack of consistency ie not paying Sydney for the same against Geelong, that was so infuriating.

[Agent 86]

Just did a quick free analysis (2005) comparing Swans vs Vic based & non Vic teams:

ALL 2005: For: 248 (81%), Against: 306 (123%)
vs VIC based: F: 158 (74%), A: 214 (135%)
vs non VIC: F 90 (98%), A: 92 (102%)
vs VIC (last 6): F: 88 (62%), A: 142 (161%)

[Agent 86]

I failed stats at uni, but I thought overall percentages might be more useful...

Frees For - Against
ALL: 45% - 55%
vs VIC based: 42% - 58%
vs non VIC: 49% - 51%
vs VIC - last 6: 38% - 62%

It appears we don't give away as many "silly" frees against non-Vic teams.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
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