Biggest Whingers in the AFL

[connolly]

Re: Re: Biggest Whingers in the AFL

Originally posted by timthefish
Hear hear.

i choose to accept that on friday night we suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and hope that next week we find that it is nobler in the mind to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them.

You completely miunderstand the point. There is a huge difference between a professional athlete making mistakes under pressure and the sheer incompetence of a McLaren. If a swans player had the form of McLaren going into last Friday's game he would not have been selected.There is also a world of difference between LRT's overly ambitious but sincere clanger and errors in application of the rules created by policy pre-conceptions eminating from AFL management. In another field of rule application thats called bias. There is a crisis of credibility in the umpiring of this code.
Billy the Bard also wrote:
"The Moor is of a free and open nature,
That thinks men honest that but seem to be so,
And will as tenderly be led by the nose
As asses are."
And as another of the greats once said - maintain the rage brother, maintain the rage (and then slaugther the cats)

[stellation]

Free kick or not, it wasn't exactly right in front. Stenglein still had to kick from outside 50.
Magic's miss was probably the worst in my opinion, particuarly considering it was after a great piece of play by one of his fellow forwards and Mick didn't deliver.

[connolly]

True but it was a set shot. Because of the enormous pressure that the swans midfield and forwards were applying to their midfield they had very few set shots. A lot of the delivery coming out of their midfield were bombs which we cleared and rebounded. Hence the imbalance between their inside 50 entries and set shots for goal. Stenglien might have been good enough to kick it but he hadn't been good enough to get the possession or another set shot all night (from my recollection) McInerney's outrageous decision created one of their rare set shots of the game inside 50

[Thunder Shaker]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
We win that trophy, hands down. Reading RWO today is a disgrace. The umpiring was poor but so was much of the play. Schneider's miss in qtr 1 was equally as bad as the crazy free. The way we have carried on today makes me want to "rip up" my membership. Biggest sooks in the League, bar none (except maybe Riewoldt).

Late in the last quarter of the 1979 Grand Final, Collingwood were leading by a point, when Harmes tapped the ball from the boundary line to Sheldon in the goal square, who goaled. Many years later, Collingwood supporters still claim that the ball was out of bounds when Harmes tapped it on.

Some Kangaroo supporters still hate Cresswell for the free he staged that won us the game a few years ago.

So you see, passionate fans of other clubs complain about umpiring too.

Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
We seem to be conveniently avoiding several key facts in all this.

B) Regardless of the legitimacy of the Stenglein-Leo Barry incident, what the hell was Leo actually trying to do by crashing into the man on the mark? Dumb knuckled-headed football when WE had the ball at half back. In my view completely inexcusable!

JF

You've got it wrong. Barry did not run into Stenglein. Barry was running downfield past Stenglein, when Stenglein ran off the mark to intercept Barry. The incident has been replayed on TV several times and it's clear. The umpire got this decision so wrong that Gieschen was forced to issue a statement to that effect. Giesch rarely has to do this. So you see, we are complaining, but it's obvious that for this particular incident we have cause to complain.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
So you see, passionate fans of other clubs complain about umpiring too.

SO when my kids carry-on for 3/4 of an hour because they want ice-cream for breakfast I should just excuse it as passion and move on. In fact if they don't whinge I should discipline them for not being 'real' kids and put a notice on the fridge questioning the true nature of their childhood. I say unto you and your examples as I say unto them - just because other idiots caryy on doesn't make it right.

[Mike_B]

At least our season isn't over because of it. I admit I had a bit of a whinge on Friday night, but I've moved on - the result won't change, and harping on about it won't make me feel any better. Ultimately, it's only a game, and while I put in a lot of time, energy and emotion into following my team, there are more important things in life.

Just my 2 cents, and I also understand that different people support their teams in different ways. Some will want to whinge because that makes them feel better, that their complaints are validated by other people whinging as well, while others will sit back and accept it and move on. To each their own.

[anne]

Distressing as the incident was, what galls me more is that Sydney just passively accept it and do nothing. I know an official complaint won't change anything and may well cost money but the "subconscious" results are tangible. After Hird's outburst and Thomas's both those teams got very favourable, overly fair umpiring. We could do with some fair umpiring - statistics show Sydney has been very harshly dealt with all year. Why was the umpire watching Leo Barry and not Stenglein? His preconceived idea (conscious or otherwise) was that Barry was going to offend and that was what he was looking for. In any contest in AFL a free kick can often be paid either way - it depends what they are looking for. AD's comments earlier in the year and the umpires' instructions to discourage Sydney's (perceived) negative style of play has hurt us big time. It is not just whingeing, it is fact! Of course we made mistakes and missed opportunities but those 2 umpiring blunders made a difference of 12 points and we lost by 4 . Everyone agrees - commentators, journalists, Tv panelists, impartial supporters and the umpires boss! If we are whingeing so be it - we are justified.

[Thunder Shaker]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
SO when my kids carry-on for 3/4 of an hour because they want ice-cream for breakfast I should just excuse it as passion and move on.

It's wrong to serve kids icecream for breakfast. Are you suggesting that all those controversial umpiring decisions were correct?

Collingwood supporters still complain about the 1979 Grand Final if the topic is brought up in conversation. Eddie Mcguire has done it on the Footy Show a few times.

Yet you expect passionate fans of the red and white to shut up about controversial umpiring decisions in a final 36 hours after the game has ended? No sane person would expect that of us. At a minimum, we should be allowed to complain about it on Monday when we dissect the weekend's football during breaks at work. The Tuesday after the game is about the right time for people to forget about the previous weekend's football.

At least all we are doing is complaining. Would you rather someone hunt down the umpires and strangle them in their sleep?

[Thunder Shaker]

It is better to complain about the incident 10,000 times than have one irate fan seek revenge.

[originalswan]

Umpires or Players?

It makes no sense to simply say that it was not only the umpires but also some skill errors by the Swans that led to our loss. That point is stating the obvious. All that some Swans fans are saying is that the umpires have unfortunately had an undue influence on the result of the game by poor decision making. I for one am not saying the players made no mistakes, but that doesn't preclude me from stating that the umpires shouldn't make such obvious erroneous decisions.

If the players lose the game by the execution of poor skills under pressure so be it, but why should we be made to shut up about dodgy umpiring decisions.

By the way I agree we have made our point now lets move on!!!!

[NMWBloods]

Nothing wrong with complaining about the umpires, particularly after Friday night's effort, but it's also useful to recognise the errors by our own side and that we still could have won in spite of the umpires.

[Sean]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Nothing wrong with complaining about the umpires, particularly after Friday night's effort, but it's also useful to recognise the errors by our own side and that we still could have won in spite of the umpires.

West Coast made errors as well - they actually missed more kickable goals than us. However, they didn't have to win in spite of the umpires. That's the problem and the whinging is completely justified.

Most people have been critical of our players and yes we could have still won but we shouldn't have had to.

[sharpie]

Originally posted by Sean
West Coast made errors as well - they actually missed more kickable goals than us. However, they didn't have to win in spite of the umpires. That's the problem and the whinging is completely justified.

Most people have been critical of our players and yes we could have still won but we shouldn't have had to.

100% agree. Well said.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sean
West Coast made errors as well - they actually missed more kickable goals than us. However, they didn't have to win in spite of the umpires. That's the problem and the whinging is completely justified.

Most people have been critical of our players and yes we could have still won but we shouldn't have had to.

I didn't say you couldn't whinge, but also recognise our missed opportunities.

In most cases a team wins because it makes less errors and makes the most of the opponent's errors. If we had done that we would have won anyway.

[anne]

But why should WE have had to have done that and not WC?