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Are you for real mate? We have always had an 18s and have never poached players. We didnt ask for a pathway to be put in but if thats the rules you nominate the best thirty in the area. All it means is if the kids want to play premier div they play for us or they play lower divs for whoever they want. I suggest you get your facts straight before opening your unimformed gob

Agree and well put.

[mountainsofpain]

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Are you for real mate? We have always had an 18s and have never poached players. We didnt ask for a pathway to be put in but if thats the rules you nominate the best thirty in the area. All it means is if the kids want to play premier div they play for us or they play lower divs for whoever they want. I suggest you get your facts straight before opening your unimformed gob

Please read the post that I quoted when I posted. In that it gave the impression that junior numbers locally for Campbelltown had dwindled substantially, which implied to me that the club had some sort of need to go outside its immediate area to put together an Under 18s squad. In addition to that, another poster said that over half the 30 players nominated were from the Penrith/Blue Mountains/Emu Plains area, so I was just going from what I read from some of the "informed" posters here.

I am fully aware that Campbelltown has had an Under 18s side for many years. What is so different this year however that the club needs to nominate over half its Under 18 squad from outside its local area? (Which was the basis of the original question in this thread).

Is it lack of local numbers as the post I quoted suggested? Or is the club just taking the easy option of picking up talent from outside its immediate area, rather than working to put together a squad from local juniors? Do you not have sufficient talent in your immediate area to nominate a squad - or at the very least the majority of the squad?

[mountainsofpain]

Agree and well put.

So if this was all part of the pathway arrangements, you don't now suspect this was a "raid on the west" then?

[mountainsofpain]

This has been happening in Sydney footy for years and years. Our club (Penrith) lose at least half a dozen of the best junior players going around every year. A. Richardson (Pen Hills), M Egan (Syd Uni) as well as scholarship holders with Collingwood and Carlton just last year. It is a really frustrating situation....

Lower division clubs are always going to lose some of their best juniors to the Premier Division clubs.

I am sure that Penrith aren't alone in that regard. And the players should be allowed to go with the club's best wishes.

I was simply surprised that so many of Campbelltown's nominated 30 came from outside of its immediate area.

It is not overly complimentary to the juniors situation in that area.

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After reading what PTB had to say, I can see the reasoning. I don't know a lot about the Soth West kids and I guess that Campbelltown consider that the kids from the Nepean area are better prospects. It just surprised me at first. Might seem like a backflip but I will have taken into account that Town won't enforce the rules and make any kid who doesn't want to play Premier for whatever reason and release them to their local lower divison club.
I have always agreed with the new zoning laws. Any kid from out here that wants to play Premier Div goes with my best wishes, as long as it the the Premier Div club they are zoned under.

[Tubzy]

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No diff for us, we lost 4 last year

I know mate, it's just a @@@@ty situation because you think to yourself that if we (Penrith) had been able to keep all our talented players throughout the years, we would be a competitive side in Prem Div of Div 1 (big call I know, but if you saw the list of players from our region, you'd understand).

On another note mate, how's the feeling in your club Pace about your ressies playing in Div 3 this season? Massive jump in standard for your fringe senior grade players??

[mountainsofpain]

After reading what PTB had to say, I can see the reasoning. I don't know a lot about the Soth West kids and I guess that Campbelltown consider that the kids from the Nepean area are better prospects. It just surprised me at first. Might seem like a backflip but I will have taken into account that Town won't enforce the rules and make any kid who doesn't want to play Premier for whatever reason and release them to their local lower divison club.
I have always agreed with the new zoning laws. Any kid from out here that wants to play Premier Div goes with my best wishes, as long as it the the Premier Div club they are zoned under.

Other than losing a heap of juniors to a club 50 odd km away, what does the Penrith senior club get out of this arrangement?

Because it seems to me that Campbelltown will do swimmingly out of it.

[mountainsofpain]

I know mate, it's just a @@@@ty situation because you think to yourself that if we (Penrith) had been able to keep all our talented players throughout the years, we would be a competitive side in Prem Div of Div 1 (big call I know, but if you saw the list of players from our region, you'd understand).

It is a vicious circle.

A club like Penrith will invariably lose its talented juniors because it plays in a lower division. And the loss of these players then virtually ensures the club stays in the lower divisions.

So the whole process then repeats itself.

[Tubzy]

Lower division clubs are always going to lose some of their best juniors to the Premier Division clubs.

I am sure that Penrith aren't alone in that regard. And the players should be allowed to go with the club's best wishes.

This is bollocks MOP, if this was to keep happening, what chance have us lower div clubs got of pushing for promotion to higher grades?? as it is, the furthest club in prem div due west from sydney is Wests who play at Ashfield (clearly not 'western sydney'). If the AFL are fair dinkum about "growing the game in the west of sydney", then they need to look at player retention for clubs like ourselves, Parra and Norwest. And I don't think these lists are the answer.

That's it, the soapbox is all yours!!

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Players do these things. The grass is greener....some think, till they get there. Got a couple coming back this year from a PC club. Seems what they were promised by this certain club was all a load of crap and they aren't happy. Usually it would mean that they would be lost to the game, but we will always welcome them back with open arms.

That is what the seniors get out of it.

Plenty of incentives this year from both 18's and seniors. Have already looked after a couple of lads picked in the Pioneers.

[mountainsofpain]

This is bollocks MOP, if this was to keep happening, what chance have us lower div clubs got of pushing for promotion to higher grades?? as it is, the furthest club in prem div due west from sydney is Wests who play at Ashfield (clearly not 'western sydney'). If the AFL are fair dinkum about "growing the game in the west of sydney", then they need to look at player retention for clubs like ourselves, Parra and Norwest. And I don't think these lists are the answer.

That's it, the soapbox is all yours!!

The club should do everything to keep a player, but if he is determined to leave to test himself at a higher level, it should be with the club's best wishes. At least that way the parting is amicable and leaves the door open for a return at some stage. That's all I was getting at.

I agree the drain of juniors from the west seems to have been an issue for years and has impeded the ability of the clubs out there to grow and develop. I honestly don't know what the answer is, the AFL can only legislate so much.

The divisional system, giving the western Sydney clubs at least a chance to be competitive, is certainly a start. And you may not think this new zoning system is the perfect answer either, but I guess it is a step in the right direction as well.

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The divisional system, giving the western Sydney clubs at least a chance to be competitive, is certainly a start. And you may not think this new zoning system is the perfect answer either, but I guess it is a step in the right direction as well.

Fully agree with that. Both are far better options that what was previously in place.

[Pace To Burn]

[QUOTE=mountainsofpain;471527]Lower division clubs are always going to lose some of their best juniors to the Premier Division clubs.

I am sure that Penrith aren't alone in that regard. And the players should be allowed to go with the club's best wishes.



I was simply surprised that so many of Campbelltown's nominated 30 came from outside of its immediate area.
It is not overly complimentary to the juniors situation in that area.[/QUOTE]

As i said we are the premier side in your area thats why we nominated them. The kids from our local area are likely to play with us so of course we dont need to nominate them.

After reading what PTB had to say, I can see the reasoning. I don't know a lot about the Soth West kids and I guess that Campbelltown consider that the kids from the Nepean area are better prospects. It just surprised me at first. Might seem like a backflip but I will have taken into account that Town won't enforce the rules and make any kid who doesn't want to play Premier for whatever reason and release them to their local lower divison club.
I have always agreed with the new zoning laws. Any kid from out here that wants to play Premier Div goes with my best wishes, as long as it the the Premier Div club they are zoned under.

Well we have nominated them, we are the premier club in their district so i guess if they want to test themselves they should come with your best wishes
[QUOTE=mountainsofpain;471532]Other than losing a heap of juniors to a club 50 odd km away, what does the Penrith senior club get out of this arrangement?

We maybe 50Kms(Maybe) away but we are the closest Prem League club, if the kids want to test themselves and the parents want to drive them You will only loose the kids who are good enough and want to challenge themselves same as you always have, this just tells them which club they have to go to.

It is a vicious circle.

A club like Penrith will invariably lose its talented juniors because it plays in a lower division. And the loss of these players then virtually ensures the club stays in the lower divisions.

So the whole process then repeats itself.

The club should do everything to keep a player, but if he is determined to leave to test himself at a higher level, it should be with the club's best wishes. At least that way the parting is amicable and leaves the door open for a return at some stage. That's all I was getting at.

I agree the drain of juniors from the west seems to have been an issue for years and has impeded the ability of the clubs out there to grow and develop. I honestly don't know what the answer is, the AFL can only legislate so much.

The divisional system, giving the western Sydney clubs at least a chance to be competitive, is certainly a start. And you may not think this new zoning system is the perfect answer either, but I guess it is a step in the right direction as well.

Of course kids should always play the highest level possible, if you should let them go with your best wishes then why are you whinging

[Pace To Burn]

Please read the post that I quoted when I posted. In that it gave the impression that junior numbers locally for Campbelltown had dwindled substantially, which implied to me that the club had some sort of need to go outside its immediate area to put together an Under 18s squad. In addition to that, another poster said that over half the 30 players nominated were from the Penrith/Blue Mountains/Emu Plains area, so I was just going from what I read from some of the "informed" posters here.

I am fully aware that Campbelltown has had an Under 18s side for many years. What is so different this year however that the club needs to nominate over half its Under 18 squad from outside its local area? (Which was the basis of the original question in this thread).

Is it lack of local numbers as the post I quoted suggested? Or is the club just taking the easy option of picking up talent from outside its immediate area, rather than working to put together a squad from local juniors? Do you not have sufficient talent in your immediate area to nominate a squad - or at the very least the majority of the squad?

Maybe you should read all the posts, I repeat the kids we nominated only have to play for us if they want to play Premier Div

[Pace To Burn]

By the way, im so glad i started this thread to announce our new Coach. ###### Muppets