Forfeits

[The Purse]

Purse, are you in Club Management at your club? I would guess not by your comment.

Agree with Tara here, you can not necessarily blame the club, whilst they are involved and need to take some repsonibility, you need to look in the whole context - for such a large area, why are kids not wanting to play U18's???
It is easy, AFL heirarchy focus on Auskick, this stops at U18's, plain and simple, it is then entirely up to each Club (who all have no paid personell) to make sure AFL kids flow into senior footy. NSWAFL try, but they have no real focus as their KPI's with AFL HQ is on Auskick. Simple.

To sit on the sidelines and have a go at the Club, Purse, is a bit rich.

And yes, there are fines in Club Championship points which indirectly is cash at the end of the year.

Not on any board no....

That is not the point, my view is and it is a view only that it is a clubs responsibility to field a team each week and a onus needs to fall onto them, not only them the league as well for helping the clubs in this area.

In my view and everyone is entitled to one, Tara by all means has theres and is entitled to it, I think a club does have a responsibility and it is poor management to have to forfeit, and it is poor management from the league to allow it to keep happening.

That is my view some might agree with it and some might not, just sharing the point of view.

[Hawknik]

totally agree you are entitiled to it. My point is that each view should be balanced that's all. The club can only do so much though with the limitations that they have (eg self-funded, no employed persons). There has to be a desire within the community to move into seniors, which needs to be fostered by the AFL.

[The Purse]

which here I see is poor management by the Sydney AFL, who have paid staff.

[Ken Oath]

which here I see is poor management by the Sydney AFL, who have paid staff.

Not really. You can lead the donkey to the water, but you can't make him drink it.

I don't buy that work excuse. They're lazy. 12 - 18 year olds these days have too many options.
Running around and training in winter twice a week doesn't appeal to them. They've too much 'pressure' just existing in life. God forbid they spend more than 10 minutes away from myspace and facebook.

Glad I was brought up in the last millennium when we could think for ourselves.

[Mug Punter]

Not really. You can lead the donkey to the water, but you can't make him drink it.

I don't buy that work excuse. They're lazy. 12 - 18 year olds these days have too many options.
Running around and training in winter twice a week doesn't appeal to them. They've too much 'pressure' just existing in life. God forbid they spend more than 10 minutes away from myspace and facebook.

Glad I was brought up in the last millennium when we could think for ourselves.

Yes, the youth of today.

What a joke to use that as an excuse. If we cannot get 200 kids in the U18 age group playing AFL each weekend then the game is fundamentally weak in this city. Once all the fake registrations fall away at auskick level we have a game that is very very shakey at the grassroots level.

Not sure what the solutuion is but I fail to see how it is the club's fault...

[Pace To Burn]

Know area , not intimately, but...... whilst it may be hard, is it good to have a team in comp forfeiting, no matter how hard it is if you dont think you will get numbers dont put a team in.The league needs to work on this just as much as the clubs in question. It is poor management, if it was good there wouldnt be forfeits or very few of them, however they are increasing. It is poor management of any club who forfeits and the league who seemingly dont do too much to try help solve this particular problem.

Youve really got no idea you muppet. You have obviously never been involved in running a club. We had 28 players at the start of the season for our 18s, we currently have about 10 long term injuries as well as 5 unavailable this weekend. That left us with only 13, you cant make kids play who are unfit or are away or have other commitments. We have rung close to a hundred kids off junior lists in the area from the last few seasons, sent letters out ,flyers to high schools from liverpool to wollondilly etc for no result. To say its from lack of good management just shows your lack of knowledge or dare i say intellegance

[JAYEFBE]

Yeah, lets fine the clubs Then, instead of spending more of their unpaid hours trying to keep a side on the paddock, they can then spend their unpaid hours raising more money to keep the club afloat to pay fines to the AFL, who, should be paying development officers to create interest in AFL and in turn help the Clubs find players. How many Development Officers are in this city of 5 million people though?

[Hawknik]

Youve really got no idea you muppet. You have obviously never been involved in running a club. We had 28 players at the start of the season for our 18s, we currently have about 10 long term injuries as well as 5 unavailable this weekend. That left us with only 13, you cant make kids play who are unfit or are away or have other commitments. We have rung close to a hundred kids off junior lists in the area from the last few seasons, sent letters out ,flyers to high schools from liverpool to wollondilly etc for no result. To say its from lack of good management just shows your lack of knowledge or dare i say intellegance

and this sums up what I was trying t say to Purse earlier. PTB, being involved you know how much work people put into each club (esp U18's), but there has to be a market there, of which Clubs are not and should not be required to create.

[Mug Punter]

Yeah, lets fine the clubs Then, instead of spending more of their unpaid hours trying to keep a side on the paddock, they can then spend their unpaid hours raising more money to keep the club afloat to pay fines to the AFL, who, should be paying development officers to create interest in AFL and in turn help the Clubs find players. How many Development Officers are in this city of 5 million people though?

I agree, let's punish the hardworking people who donate their time free of charge to keep this game afloat at the senior level in this state.

If the AFL are fair dinkum about REALLY developing this code in Sydney then every senior club would have at least a full-time manager appointed whose job it was to develop the pipeline and het an U18 on the paddock every week. The game is so vastly under-funded it's a joke.

I then see the AFL bigging up GWS and that goose in charge (Sheeds) mouthing off about third AFL teams , calling Roosy a sook etc and it makes me blood boil. What planet are they on?

[Coastal Boy]

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If the AFL are fair dinkum about REALLY developing this code in Sydney then every senior club would have at least a full-time manager appointed whose job it was to develop the pipeline and het an U18 on the paddock every week.
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MP, we went through this during the 90s. Each SFL club was given a grant to hire a full time manager. But as the story goes, many (or most) clubs used to money to pay for a marquee-type player under the guise of a manager. Naturally it was abandoned when clubs did not use it for the purpose it was intended and thus failed to turn it into a self-funding position. Maybe ECE was the only club able to keep it going and no surprise of the success of the club since.....others can comment on the validity of this statement.

[sam]

Bring back under 19.

[beameup]

Not as simple as that. The gooduns have gone into first grade and the 16yo get imtimidated playing against men at 18-19. The AFL needs to get serious about getting recruits. Targetting boys dropping out of soccer because they have grown out of it and leaguies becuse of size differences actually works but there never seems to be an actual campaign to do it.

[Doormat]

Or maybe beameup stop premier division clubs taking kids (U'16's comp) & pumping there egos up with money & promises & then not delivering or more importantly developing them as footballers.
This is the real problem. Would love to know how many 17y old drop out from 18's comp that dont go on and play the club that recruited them or who go back to the original club & play ?????
I know of one junior club in the Hills where the coach has outlined no U'16's are to play up in challenge cup or premier as the premier club only burns & churns the players.

Not as simple as that. The gooduns have gone into first grade and the 16yo get imtimidated playing against men at 18-19. The AFL needs to get serious about getting recruits. Targetting boys dropping out of soccer because they have grown out of it and leaguies becuse of size differences actually works but there never seems to be an actual campaign to do it.

[beameup]

Or maybe beameup stop premier division clubs taking kids (U'16's comp) & pumping there egos up with money & promises & then not delivering or more importantly developing them as footballers.
This is the real problem. Would love to know how many 17y old drop out from 18's comp that dont go on and play the club that recruited them or who go back to the original club & play ?????
I know of one junior club in the Hills where the coach has outlined no U'16's are to play up in challenge cup or premier as the premier club only burns & churns the players.

That maybe a fair comment in some instances but at the same time there is a role for boys playing U18s whilst still an under 16. Blanket prohibitions do not work for the top 20% of players who need to be challenged to continue to grow. Selective playing between the 2 age groups makes for a better player the same way as playing an U18 in first grade. Very few play every game as dropping them back for a few games often builds confidence and lets them regroup physically and mentally.

I also believe there is a role for parents in this. They need to be involved and ensure to themselves that their son is being dealt with fairly by the club. Talk to the coach and the President or committee. If the son is being misused pull him out, consider going elsewhere instead as seeing it as an opportunity to offload him for a few hours. These boys are only 15 and 16 years old and do not understand that they need to be managed and protected.

There are examples in Sydney where it is done very well. If your local club doesn't then move on.

[ShortHalfHead]

Surprised that Mac Uni have forfeited again in the Challenge Cup to Penrith. Especially as no 16's games this weekend where they could have played up.
I guess that the Mac Uni/Penno "alliance" isn't working that flash.