Forfeits

[ShortHalfHead]

Well since they were sporting scholarships I don't think it unreasonable for the Uni to target the better players do you? That is why they are S_P_O_R_T_I_N_G scholarships not A_C_A_D_E_M_I_C scholarships, which by the way are also offered.

As long as the player is enrolled at Sydney Uni as a student I fail to see what the issue is. If Sydney Uni are prevented from playing a player who is a student at their university because of this idiotic, bureaucratic over-reaction then they have every right to take whatever steps it takes to get it removed IMO.

Mug, They were not offering scholarships, they were inducing them with a possibilty of a scholarship (mainly a Collingwood one). I believe that none eventuated, though one lad lost his.

As a side note, how many players are enrolled at Sydney Uni. No issues with that one. Just wasn't aware of any

[mountainsofpain]

Thing is 17 and 18 year old kids aren't a pice of property that should be told where and when they can play footy, especially when they are paying for the privilege.

The Unis do an immense amount of work developing the code on campus, the stark reality is that without the University teams' involvement in the code in Sydney we would have an absolute shambles of a competition. This is an undeniable FACT whether you like it or not. To say they should also be creating additional junior teams when clubs like Campbelltown, with all their sides out there, can't put a team on the paddock, and then blame the Sydney Uni for it is too riduclous for words.

Whatever you consider contribution the Unis make to Sydney football is completely beside the point.

I made a suggestion that they consider forming local clubs. What's wrong with that exactly? It may not be practical from a demographics point of view, I don't know - but it was only a suggestion.

You are basically saying that Sydney Uni is too bone lazy to even try to develop youth - so instead they just go and raid players from other areas.

I mean, it's hardly the case (with five senior sides) that they are struggling for numbers, is it? They are an extremely strong club already and are trying to make themselves even stronger on the back of the work of junior clubs from miles away. The whole exercise reeks of greed and arrogance, nothing else.

I hardly consider their way of putting an Under 18s side together to be making a contribution to the well-being of Sydney footy at all. It's the exact opposite in fact.

If you want to support it, good for you. I'm more interested in the welfare of Sydney football overall, especially in the still developing areas, which the behaviour of Sydney Uni directly conflicts with.

[mountainsofpain]

Of the eight players targetted from Penrith, it was surprising to find that all were above ability on the footy field. Was that a coincidence? Why didn't they advertise to all and sundry and target the skinny, brainy nerds who might have shone with academic abilty. Of course they just wanted to give kids an opportunity to play football...but only interested in the good 'uns.

Eight players were targetted from Penrith?

Wow, that would have really helped the game out there if they had all gone, losing nearly half a side in one hit.

I wonder what would have happened if they had all gone and Penrith had then struggled for numbers? Clearly Sydney Uni didn't give a crap.

[snow leopard]

Whatever you consider contribution the Unis make to Sydney football is completely beside the point.

I made a suggestion that they consider forming local clubs. What's wrong with that exactly? It may not be practical from a demographics point of view, I don't know - but it was only a suggestion.

You are basically saying that Sydney Uni is too bone lazy to even try to develop youth - so instead they just go and raid players from other areas.

I mean, it's hardly the case (with five senior sides) that they are struggling for numbers, is it? They are an extremely strong club already and are trying to make themselves even stronger on the back of the work of junior clubs from miles away. The whole exercise reeks of greed and arrogance, nothing else.

I hardly consider their way of putting an Under 18s side together to be making a contribution to the well-being of Sydney footy at all. It's the exact opposite in fact.

If you want to support it, good for you. I'm more interested in the welfare of Sydney football overall, especially in the still developing areas, which the behaviour of Sydney Uni directly conflicts with.

Then again the senior sydney clubs do stuff all in help with there junior pathway way clubs eihter. All they are intested in is getting bulk numbers for their 18's some that come to mind are St George 40+ Penno 45+ North Shore 40+. Some of these boys are paying $200 or more and have played 3, 4 or 5 games this year, great value for money i wonder how many will give the game away??. One would have thought 30 would be enough and then send the balance to other clubs instead of being greedy.

[mountainsofpain]

No, that's not good either if clubs are doing that. But I gather St George seem to be doing the right thing from what I've read here.

Putting two sides in is great if possible (which the Eagles are doing for instance), but that would probably need around 60 odd players.

Not sure about Penno/North Shore.

[J_Moore]

I have it on very good authority that exemptions can me made when students are a few UAI points short that "concessions" can be made. My God-Daughter is doing a vets couse and she was short, but an interview got her there when they realised her love for it

There's a special entry scheme for elite athletes that Sydney Uni runs. If a kid' has been playing a sport at a very high level (state or national, generally), and can show that this might have affected their HSC, then they might be offered entry to a course that they just missed out on. It depends on the course, though, and is usually up to the individual faculties. So not many get handed out.

The idea that the aussie rules club is able to leverage academic concessions for a whole lot of decent 17 year olds from suburban footy clubs is ridiculous.

[ShortHalfHead]

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The idea that the aussie rules club is able to leverage academic concessions for a whole lot of decent 17 year olds from suburban footy clubs is ridiculous.

It probably is a ridiculous idea. Maybe they should have told the recruiters not to use it. But it is all history now and the pathway programme was put into place to combat it.

[Steamboat]

heard on the grapevine that C'town DID NOT forfeit 18's today! ... had seven players all ready to go, but ground manager called it off due to state of the pitch

Unconfuseme,you confue everyone,possibly because of your grapevine.

C Town actually had 20 players available,and with exception of 2 late arrivals,all were ready to play.

With seniors out of the running,all 4 u18s that have played 1st grade are now dropping back to help out the 18s,for those sceptics,there was about 6inches of surface water on the ground,and whilst ground manager had some say,umpires deemed surface dangerous.

[ShortHalfHead]

Unconfuseme,you confue everyone,possibly because of your grapevine.

C Town actually had 20 players available,and with exception of 2 late arrivals,all were ready to play.

With seniors out of the running,all 4 u18s that have played 1st grade are now dropping back to help out the 18s,for those sceptics,there was about 6inches of surface water on the ground,and whilst ground manager had some say,umpires deemed surface dangerous.

If the 7 18's that played in Premier Div on Saturday had played in the 18's, would seniors have forfeited or would they have backed up?

A good win by the Blues regardless

[Bert]

You would have to think their Div 3 team would of forfeited, considering they haven't had a full bench for most of the year.

[beameup]

Then again the senior sydney clubs do stuff all in help with there junior pathway way clubs eihter. All they are intested in is getting bulk numbers for their 18's some that come to mind are St George 40+ Penno 45+ North Shore 40+. Some of these boys are paying $200 or more and have played 3, 4 or 5 games this year, great value for money i wonder how many will give the game away??. One would have thought 30 would be enough and then send the balance to other clubs instead of being greedy.

St George were unsuccessful in entering a second team as Power and Moorebank were short of players and SFL said it might suck more away from them. Bottom line is that boys see themsdelves playing at a higer level therefore whilst happy to play for local club as a junior they want to go to a club that has a path to the top. I am not criticising anyone but if you feel you might have a bit of talent or whatever seriously why would they go to a club that tops out in second division when you could play Premier within 12-18 months. Sorry but it is a fact of life.

[Mug Punter]

It probably is a ridiculous idea. Maybe they should have told the recruiters not to use it. But it is all history now and the pathway programme was put into place to combat it.

So, let's get this straight. the NSWAFL have put into place a completely over the top ineffective plan that takes mountains of administration to "combat" a program that didn't exist in the first place.

Completely and utterly insane.....

[Shotties]

You'll have to Pardon my ignorance, but which senior clubs in the league founded which junior clubs? Further to that, which SU 18s were given money or extra UAI points? I'd been labouring under the impression that a person's UAI was the domain of the UAC.

Edit: I see it's already been answered.

[Mug Punter]

You'll have to Pardon my ignorance, but which senior clubs in the league founded which junior clubs? Further to that, which SU 18s were given money or extra UAI points? I'd been labouring under the impression that a person's UAI was the domain of the UAC.

Exactly! Finally a sensible post on this topic.

It's hearsay and conjecture at best, slander at worst, and a completely OTT reaction to a professional program implemented by the most professional and progressive club in Sydney.

[DLH]

will be interesting at the end of the year though to see if the rumours of coaching and player moves out in the general west eventuate.

Anything you'd like to expand upon?