Forfeits

[tara]

Anything you'd like to expand upon?

No but if if eventuates I let you know - must admit though it would be a bold move.

[DLH]

No but if if eventuates I let you know - must admit though it would be a bold move.

No worries, sounds interesting.......

Nice win on the weekend too, congrats.

Hopefully we can still make the finals from here, pretty congested at the top end though.

[Shotties]

Exactly! Finally a sensible post on this topic.

It's hearsay and conjecture at best, slander at worst, and a completely OTT reaction to a professional program implemented by the most professional and progressive club in Sydney.

I'm not going to get into a circle jerk here, but the fact that people have been pushing the "SU give out extra UAI points" line for over a year indicates that people are probably on the end of a long line of Chinese whispers. I would be extremely doubtful that someone from Sydney Uni has ever said that the club would be able to give out UAI points but it's an argument that's been repeated ad nauseam on here.

[beameup]

I'm not going to get into a circle jerk here, but the fact that people have been pushing the "SU give out extra UAI points" line for over a year indicates that people are probably on the end of a long line of Chinese whispers. I would be extremely doubtful that someone from Sydney Uni has ever said that the club would be able to give out UAI points but it's an argument that's been repeated ad nauseam on here.

It is actually quite feasible that bonus points are given to sporting students. Universities give bonus points for a range of matters such as being a regional student or coming from an underpriviledged area or overseas and elite sports people could well enjoy benefits. I am not saying they do but it is very feasible. I can tell you for an absolute fact that students who are offerred scholarships by private sector do get in with a lower ATAR (UAI) than the cutoff figure. Syd Uni does also use the prospect of scholarships in the future when talking to U18s.

[Shotties]

Re: Forfeits

It is actually quite feasible that bonus points are given to sporting students. Universities give bonus points for a range of matters such as being a regional student or coming from an underpriviledged area or overseas and elite sports people could well enjoy benefits. I am not saying they do but it is very feasible.

Feasible? Universities cannot give out bonus ATAR / UAI points. That has to be done with the UAC an as J_Moore said above suburban football clubs don't generally hold a lot of sway there.

[ShortHalfHead]

The Elite Athletes and Performers Scheme is for applicants who are able to demonstrate that they are elite athletes or performers, and have had training, competitive and/or practice commitments which have significantly affected their results.

An applicant who is approved under this scheme may be admitted into their course of choice with results which are below, but close to, the normal entry standard for that course. Applicants cannot gain admission into their course of choice with results that are well below the course entry standard.

For a Year 12 applicant, approval under this scheme may mean that the applicant can gain admission into a course with an ATAR of up to five points below the regular cut-off. The concession may be somewhat less than five points for competitive courses, and certain courses do not offer any concession under this scheme.

This scheme is available for domestic applicants seeking admission into most undergraduate courses which are offered through the Universities Admissions Centre (UAC).

[Shotties]

The Elite Athletes and Performers Scheme is for applicants who are able to demonstrate that they are elite athletes or performers, and have had training, competitive and/or practice commitments which have significantly affected their results.

An applicant who is approved under this scheme may be admitted into their course of choice with results which are below, but close to, the normal entry standard for that course. Applicants cannot gain admission into their course of choice with results that are well below the course entry standard.

For a Year 12 applicant, approval under this scheme may mean that the applicant can gain admission into a course with an ATAR of up to five points below the regular cut-off. The concession may be somewhat less than five points for competitive courses, and certain courses do not offer any concession under this scheme.

This scheme is available for domestic applicants seeking admission into most undergraduate courses which are offered through the Universities Admissions Centre (UAC).

My reading isn't great, but it seems to me that you've reiterated what J_Moore said, wherein someone who can show that their HSC disrupted can gain admission into a course when they fall just below the cut off. This ISN'T the same as awarding points to players just for playing for SU u18s. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say Chinese whispers. You've had a glance at a system that allows people with a disrupted HSC to MAYBE get into a course a max of 5 ATAR points above their score and extrapolated from that that SU are "giving out" ATAR points.

[Norris Lurker]

I'd be surprised if people playing our game in Sydney would get a look in under that scheme - I'm guessing our league wouldn't be elite enough. I would have thought that scheme would be a way of giving special consideration to someone who missed plenty of school in year 12 because they were overseas to compete in the Olympics or an international competition.
I could be wrong, I have no idea and I'm guessing - but I'd be surprised if homework time missed because you were travelling 90 minutes each way on public transport to get from the outer suburbs to Sydney Uni after school for training twice a week with a Sydney AFL club would qualify.

There may well be benefits to an aspiring youngster's football development to travel from the outer suburbs to Sydney Uni. But getting a concession on HSC scoring would be unlikely to be one of them.

[tara]

I'd be surprised if people playing our game in Sydney would get a look in under that scheme - I'm guessing our league wouldn't be elite enough. I would have thought that scheme would be a way of giving special consideration to someone who missed plenty of school in year 12 because they were overseas to compete in the Olympics or an international competition.
I could be wrong, I have no idea and I'm guessing - but I'd be surprised if homework time missed because you were travelling 90 minutes each way on public transport to get from the outer suburbs to Sydney Uni after school for training twice a week with a Sydney AFL club would qualify.

There may well be benefits to an aspiring youngster's football development to travel from the outer suburbs to Sydney Uni. But getting a concession on HSC scoring would be unlikely to be one of them.

Actually Norris you may be surprised - are very good friend of mines daughter is a Sydney Uni graduate and was a scholarship holder during her four years in a sport that is not huge in Australia and most certainly not one generally associated with women.

To be honest I dont care about Sydney Uni offering incentives to play but it would be nice to see them actually try and develop a sustainable junior junior base in their own backyard.

[Pekay]

Actually Norris you may be surprised - are very good friend of mines daughter is a Sydney Uni graduate and was a scholarship holder during her four years in a sport that is not huge in Australia and most certainly not one generally associated with women.

To be honest I dont care about Sydney Uni offering incentives to play but it would be nice to see them actually try and develop a sustainable junior junior base in their own backyard.

Hahaha way to tip toe around the word dyke.

[tara]

Hahaha way to tip toe around the word dyke.

She represents Australia and yes there are a lot in her team however she is engaged to a mate of mine who is a fitness trainer who my boys wish they had never met earlier this year.

[Pekay]

She represents Australia and yes there are a lot in her team however she is engaged to a mate of mine who is a fitness trainer who my boys wish they had never met earlier this year.

Brush=tarred.

[Hawknik]

The Elite Athletes and Performers Scheme is for applicants who are able to demonstrate that they are elite athletes or performers, and have had training, competitive and/or practice commitments which have significantly affected their results.

An applicant who is approved under this scheme may be admitted into their course of choice with results which are below, but close to, the normal entry standard for that course. Applicants cannot gain admission into their course of choice with results that are well below the course entry standard.

For a Year 12 applicant, approval under this scheme may mean that the applicant can gain admission into a course with an ATAR of up to five points below the regular cut-off. The concession may be somewhat less than five points for competitive courses, and certain courses do not offer any concession under this scheme.

This scheme is available for domestic applicants seeking admission into most undergraduate courses which are offered through the Universities Admissions Centre (UAC).

ShortHalfHead - spot on, these types of scholarships ARE available at universities, it requires the athlete to illustrate sporting achievement/level, seek approval from the university and meeting certain standards. Obviously your average park footballer may not meet the requirements, but a young player of high calibre and potential in Sydney, who is aligned to Collingwood would be able to argue the point I believe.

Macquarie University does have this in it's education facility, however, no Mac Uni AFL player has utilised this as yet. Who knows what the future holds, but one of the pre requisites in Mac Uni is State or National representation, and they focus heavily on the upper elite (ie Olympic or National representatives) which puts it just slightly out of our reach

*whether these scholarships become reality within SUAFL Club is an entirely different point, however, the process would be there I would imagine

I am more than confident Sydney University (the tertiary itself) would have this facility available, it makes perfect sense when universities are striving for elite athletes to be representing them at Uni games etc.

[ShortHalfHead]

Brush=tarred.

I have never said if it was actually available to every man and his dog. I do know as a fact it was mentioned to the parents at the "development squad" that Uni had prior to their announcing that they intended to field a team in 2009. I spoke to three parents, all of whom are super reliable. One didn't even know what UAI meant, but told me that one of the parents had a chat to the "offerer" about it. At the meeting they spoke about Collingwood scholarships being available to some players, Uni scholarships, UAI bonus along with gym facilities and the likes if they joined the side.

It was all done very underhanded with secretive calls to talented players from various regions under the guise of just being a bit of an intensive Collingwood 4-6 week training run (Was in 2008 prior to Christmas). Uni didn't announce they were going to field an 18's side until the end of the programme.

As I said, no use harping on and time to move forward. At least other clubs who have gone on a poaching spree aren't in denial about how they do things. I just wanted to give the facts

[Pekay]

I have never said if it was actually available to every man and his dog. I do know as a fact it was mentioned to the parents at the "development squad" that Uni had prior to their announcing that they intended to field a team in 2009. I spoke to three parents, all of whom are super reliable. One didn't even know what UAI meant, but told me that one of the parents had a chat to the "offerer" about it. At the meeting they spoke about Collingwood scholarships being available to some players, Uni scholarships, UAI bonus along with gym facilities and the likes if they joined the side.

It was all done very underhanded with secretive calls to talented players from various regions under the guise of just being a bit of an intensive Collingwood 4-6 week training run (Was in 2008 prior to Christmas). Uni didn't announce they were going to field an 18's side until the end of the programme.

As I said, no use harping on and time to move forward. At least other clubs who have gone on a poaching spree aren't in denial about how they do things. I just wanted to give the facts

Hey, I was talking about dykes!