RWO Game Day Thread - Round 11 - July 4-5

[Norris Lurker]

Saturday 4th July

Bensons Lane
14:10 Nor-West Jets v Balmain Tigers Division Three
12:00 Nor-West Jets v Balmain Tigers Division Five

BISP No.2
10:00 Blacktown Magic v Auburn Giants Women's Women's Division Two

Gipps Rd Oval
14:30 Holroyd Parramatta Goannas v Sydney University Division One
12:30 Holroyd Parramatta Goannas v Sydney University Division Four
10:30 Holroyd Parramatta Goannas v Sydney University Division Five
8:30 Holroyd Parramatta Goannas v Campbelltown Blues Under 19s Division Two

Gore Hill Oval
16:45 North Shore Bombers v Manly Warringah Giants Premier Division
14:30 North Shore Bombers v Manly Warringah Giants Division Two
12:30 North Shore Bombers v Manly Warringah Giants Under 19s Division One
10:30 North Shore Bombers v Manly Warringah Giants Division Four

Greygums Oval
13:00 Penrith Rams v Gosford Wildcats Division Three
11:00 Penrith Ramettes v Gosford Wildcats Women's Division Two

Harrington Park
14:30 Camden Cats v Randwick City Saints Division Two
12:30 Camden Cats v Campbelltown Blues Division Four
10:30 Camden Cats v Penrith Rams Division Five

Kanebridge Oval
16:45 East Coast Eagles v Pennant Hills Demons Division One
14:10 East Coast Eagles v Pennant Hills Demons Premier Division
12:00 East Coast Eagles v Pennant Hills Demons Under 19s Division One
10:00 East Coast Eagles v Pennant Hills Demons Division Three

North Dalton Park
12:00 Wollongong Saints v Southern Power Women's Division One
10:00 South Coast Thunder v UNSW/ES Bulldogs Under 19s Division One

Olds Park
12:00 St George Dragons v Southern Power Division One
10:00 St George Dragons v Sydney University Under 19s Division One

Picken Oval
14:10 Western Suburbs Magpies v Sydney University Premier Division
12:00 Western Suburbs Magpies v Sydney University Division Three
10:00 Western Wolves v Sydney University Bombers Women's Division One

Pioneers Park
10:00 Randwick City Saints v Pennant Hills Demons Division Five

Rosedale Park
15:00 Moorebank Magpies v Blacktown Magic (Red Jumper) Division Two
13:00 Moorebank Magpies v Southern Power Division Four
11:00 Moorebank Magpies v Southern Power Under 19s Division Two
9:00 Moorebank Magpies v Manly Warringah Giants Women's Division Two

University Oval
16:10 Macquarie University v Balmain Tigers Division One
14:00 Macquarie University v Blacktown Magic Division Four
12:00 Macquarie University v Newtown Breakaways Women's Division One

Village Green
14:30 UNSW/ES Bulldogs v UTS Bats Premier Division
12:30 UNSW/ES Bulldogs v UTS Bats Division One
10:30 UNSW/ES Bulldogs v UTS Bats Division Three
8:30 UNSW/ES Bulldogs v UTS Bats Division Five


Sunday 5th July

Bargo Sportsground
14:00 Wollondilly Knights v Randwick City Saints Division Four

Picken Oval
14:10 Western Suburbs Magpies v Penrith Rams Division Two
12:00 Western Suburbs Magpies v Penrith Rams Under 19s Division Two

Village Green
10:00 UNSW/ES Stingrays v UTS Shamrocks Women's Division Two


Bye
St George Dragons Premier Division
UNSW/ES Stingrays Women?s Division One
Newtown Breakaways Women?s Division Two
Pennant Hills Demons Under 19 Division Two

[Norris Lurker]

This week's RWO Wrap of the weekend action is now online.

[Coastal Boy]

Can someone jog my memory. Which club withdrew a team that wasn't its lowest div team?

[Norris Lurker]

Campbelltown pulled their seniors on the eve of the season.
Also UNSW-ES & UTS pulled out of Div 2 during the pre-season, but well ahead of the season starting.

[Coastal Boy]

So has anyone received an explanation why UTS didn't drop their 5th division team? A major loss of talent is the usual response. A quick look at results at this point of the season has UTS 3rd div with 10W/0L and 5th div 7W/1L. Am I the only pessimistic soul who sees this as a grab for lower division silverware? It's just another flaw in the divisionalisation rationale.

[Pekay]

So has anyone received an explanation why UTS didn't drop their 5th division team? A major loss of talent is the usual response. A quick look at results at this point of the season has UTS 3rd div with 10W/0L and 5th div 7W/1L. Am I the only pessimistic soul who sees this as a grab for lower division silverware? It's just another flaw in the divisionalisation rationale.

Agreed.

[Footy Barista]

Agreed.

Yeah agreed they should be in div 2 there's only 8 teams in the comp

[tara]

UTS claimed they would struggle in div 3 due to the numbers who had left the club. UTS now are top of the table in div 3 and 5 and if things continue the AFL will have egg on their face for believing the bulls..t told to them.

UTS have had 62 transfers in which is the most of any club in Sydney with only 26 transfers out. the next closest re transfers in is Sydney Uni with 58 ins but also with 54 outs. Camden for example had 39 ins and 11 outs.

Please note figures were worked out quickly so may be slightly (only slighty) out and have been adjusted for under 19's (not included) and rep footy and NEAFL transfers.

So UTS have a net player movement on paper of 36 in and drop a team whilst Camden have 28 ins and add one. Id have to agree with Coastal Boy and say on paper it does appear UTS are chasing lower div silverware.

[Benchwarmer]

UTS claimed they would struggle in div 3 due to the numbers who had left the club. UTS now are top of the table in div 3 and 5 and if things continue the AFL will have egg on their face for believing the bulls..t told to them.

UTS have had 62 transfers in which is the most of any club in Sydney with only 26 transfers out. the next closest re transfers in is Sydney Uni with 58 ins but also with 54 outs. Camden for example had 39 ins and 11 outs.

Please note figures were worked out quickly so may be slightly (only slighty) out and have been adjusted for under 19's (not included) and rep footy and NEAFL transfers.

So UTS have a net player movement on paper of 36 in and drop a team whilst Camden have 28 ins and add one. Id have to agree with Coastal Boy and say on paper it does appear UTS are chasing lower div silverware.

I don't get it !!

Last year , 2014, the UTS "D" grade won the Div 4 premiership ,
This year 2015 the UTS "D" grade are winning every game by 20 goals or more in Div 5 !!!
Can anyone explain how this has come about?

[Norris Lurker]

Don't know, can only speculate. But UNSW-ES had already pulled their Div 2 team (and considering they're on the bottom of Div 1 & Div 3 at the moment, that was probably the right team to pull); so UTS when they realised they didn't have the numbers and had to pull a team, may have been allowed to cut that one to eliminate the bye.

[Benchwarmer]

Don't know, can only speculate. But UNSW-ES had already pulled their Div 2 team (and considering they're on the bottom of Div 1 & Div 3 at the moment, that was probably the right team to pull); so UTS when they realised they didn't have the numbers and had to pull a team, may have been allowed to cut that one to eliminate the bye.

That's not quite how I read it Norris .
UNSW div 2 was relegated to div 3 as they finished last and rightly playing in D 3 . They did withdraw their Div 4 team which struggled last year and they had a couple of forfeits so understandable and fair enough,
The UTS changes however are totally different .
Their Div 4 team won the premiership and were promoted to Div 3 ..
UTS actually were allowed to withdraw their C grade team even though they were not in relegation zone.(last place)
Effectively cascading these players to lower grades and as a result we see them dominating lower grades again .
An earlier post showed UTS actually grew in numbers again this year through the clearance board ,

It just doesn't look right .

[tara]

Don't know, can only speculate. But UNSW-ES had already pulled their Div 2 team (and considering they're on the bottom of Div 1 & Div 3 at the moment, that was probably the right team to pull); so UTS when they realised they didn't have the numbers and had to pull a team, may have been allowed to cut that one to eliminate the bye.

No Norris they pleaded with the league to be allowed to drop as they said due to numbers they would struggle. Fact is they have had more inward transfers in than any other club and little the other way. I know from an opposition club they were observed playing a scratch match against another club with over 30 players there to get a game.

Pathetic effort by UTS. When and if they win they should be stripped of their silverwater for effectively tanking.

[Benchwarmer]

No Norris they pleaded with the league to be allowed to drop as they said due to numbers they would struggle. Fact is they have had more inward transfers in than any other club and little the other way. I know from an opposition club they were observed playing a scratch match against another club with over 30 players there to get a game.

Pathetic effort by UTS. When and if they win they should be stripped of their silverwater for effectively tanking.

I disagree Tara,
Congratulations to them .
They can just add the two more lower division flags they win this year to the all the others they won before divisionslisation in 2010. Hang them from the roof of the away team change rooms with all the others at Trumper.
And we can have a quiet giggle .

[Tom Wills]

Agree with all the previous comments about UTS and the strength or their lower division teams - whether intentional or unintentional.

Divisionalisation is here to stay, for at least the next few years. With many clubs now having multiple, 4 or more seniors teams, and this potentially increasing over the next few years this could be a regular occurrence in the lower divisions.

What about a promotion / relegation of lower division teams after the first, say 6 rounds. This would only apply to Division 2 down but would allow for a re-calibration of the Divisions to ensure a more even comp. ie what effectively happens in the Junior comps.

While not normal, probably best reflects the unique position of Sydney AFL and how different approaches need to be applied to the Sydney comp structure. Thoughts?