Mens Player Points System

[andreww1]

Sorry but I believe in the Easter Bunny to.

There used to be a pathway which encouraged that and stopped poaching but we all know what happened there and why it happened.

The idea of working with junior clubs is fantastic until the Academies direct local talent elsewhere. We have busted our arse working with junior clubs only to watch them implode after the ongoing poaching of the best talent.

We have three junior clubs that the AFL want us to work with. None go beyond under 14's anymore. We all know the Bankstown saga. South West Tiger potentially had a very good under 17s this year - that was until 5 players tried to transfer to Baulko - The AFL put a stop to that as only one kid could have done so within the current by-laws. So now they went to Camden - and the remaining kids pulled the pin.

In the last 30 years despite all the propaganda the game in the South West region has gone backwards and will continue to do so at a rapid rate.

So at least under the scenario you describe of juniors playing with clubs outside their pathway it will cost those senior clubs 3 or 4 points to play them. So it is not perfect but there is some disincentive for Prems clubs to play players from outside their junior pathway.
The real issue in that scenario is the better academy juniors wanting to play for Div1 U19s and Prem Div club to increase their chances of staying in their Academy and ideally getting drafted. Not sure how you fix that.


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[Nuttsy]

So at least under the scenario you describe of juniors playing with clubs outside their pathway it will cost those senior clubs 3 or 4 points to play them. So it is not perfect but there is some disincentive for Prems clubs to play players from outside their junior pathway.
The real issue in that scenario is the better academy juniors wanting to play for Div1 U19s and Prem Div club to increase their chances of staying in their Academy and ideally getting drafted. Not sure how you fix that.


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How Many Kids have been drafted over the last 10 Years from Sydney Clubs? The excuse that they need to leave their local club to play Div 1 is ridiculous. If they are anywhere near being drafted they would be playing Academy Series footy at 16,17 and 18 as well as State footy and Neafl top up and would play hardly any local footy anyway. Just another way for any good kids who have been developed by local clubs to be channeled into the chosen few

[tara]

How Many Kids have been drafted over the last 10 Years from Sydney Clubs? The excuse that they need to leave their local club to play Div 1 is ridiculous. If they are anywhere near being drafted they would be playing Academy Series footy at 16,17 and 18 as well as State footy and Neafl top up and would play hardly any local footy anyway. Just another way for any good kids who have been developed by local clubs to be channeled into the chosen few

Yep the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa are all well and truly alive at AFL HQ

[andreww1]

How Many Kids have been drafted over the last 10 Years from Sydney Clubs? The excuse that they need to leave their local club to play Div 1 is ridiculous. If they are anywhere near being drafted they would be playing Academy Series footy at 16,17 and 18 as well as State footy and Neafl top up and would play hardly any local footy anyway. Just another way for any good kids who have been developed by local clubs to be channeled into the chosen few

I agree with your scepticism of the Academies, but that has nothing to do with the Player Points System. And the PPS does act as a small deterrent for a Premier Div clubs playing kids from outside their pathway.
And are you going to tell a kid and his parent in the Academy that he is not going to make it? Best of luck retaining kids with that approach.


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[Nuttsy]

I agree with your scepticism of the Academies, but that has nothing to do with the Player Points System. And the PPS does act as a small deterrent for a Premier Div clubs playing kids from outside their pathway.
And are you going to tell a kid and his parent in the Academy that he is not going to make it? Best of luck retaining kids with that approach.


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It's not about telling them they wont get drafted. It's bull@@@@ting them by selling to them that they are a better chance of it happening by leaving their local club to go play a handful of games with another sydney club. The top end kids basically only train with the academy squads and will be training playing Neafl etc. If your not in that camp your not getting drafted so there's no point leaving your local club to go play with a Prems club in Under 19's etc. Unless of course the people running the Academies have connections with said Prems clubs

[Jupiter]

From speaking to some involved my conclusion is the points system is.............POINTLESS. Its something that came from other comps where it was able to be used as an equalization measure in those markets for issues they had - as designed it does not help Sydney footy in ANY way and is just more pointless rules and regs to confuse and bemuse volunteers who have enough on their plate - BUT hey it probably ticks someones KPI.

The data some here think is illuminating tells us nothing new - who has the most talented juniors in this current era, the inner city clubs are full of southern staters - no revelations there. Can you regulate to force a talented person who lives in Hornsby, Paddington, Bondi or Newtown for example to go play for Camden? I reckon they'd just do something else mostly, so regulated "equalization" in the Sydney market probably needs to focus on ground up builds. To hear Tara tell about the South West is utterly depressing - that's a place that should have been a stronghold by now. To hear of academy/afl staff undermining club programs well that is just so short sighted as to be negligent.

[Pmcc2911]

I think you are spot on with your comment about ticking a KPI.

[Tom Wills]

From speaking to some involved my conclusion is the points system is.............POINTLESS. Its something that came from other comps where it was able to be used as an equalization measure in those markets for issues they had - as designed it does not help Sydney footy in ANY way and is just more pointless rules and regs to confuse and bemuse volunteers who have enough on their plate - BUT hey it probably ticks someones KPI.

The data some here think is illuminating tells us nothing new - who has the most talented juniors in this current era, the inner city clubs are full of southern staters - no revelations there. Can you regulate to force a talented person who lives in Hornsby, Paddington, Bondi or Newtown for example to go play for Camden? I reckon they'd just do something else mostly, so regulated "equalization" in the Sydney market probably needs to focus on ground up builds. To hear Tara tell about the South West is utterly depressing - that's a place that should have been a stronghold by now. To hear of academy/afl staff undermining club programs well that is just so short sighted as to be negligent.

Nailed it all Jupiter - you should join the Syndey AFL Board / Consultative committee........ ohhh sorry they don't have them any more.

[wise one]

The favored teams in this weeks prems games would all probably be giving their opponents between 5 & 20 goals start if bookmakers were framing markets on them, yet Nth Shore are the only team expected to win that will start on more points than their opposition,as Jupiter said, it seems pointless.

There is more of a gulf between teams in prems at the moment than there has been for a fair while and points systems will probably not address that, probably only squeeze out players from clubs, with the lower clubs having to go and get 7 point players if possible to be able to compete.

As has been said before, probably will only strengthen the ressies comp, with the cap meaning that the stronger clubs will need to rotate some of their players through ressies or rest them, good luck UNSW getting the likes of Pfeiffer,Aish,Towers, Jack etc under cap when it is 42pts or less.

[Old Puppy]

The favored teams in this weeks prems games would all probably be giving their opponents between 5 & 20 goals start if bookmakers were framing markets on them, yet Nth Shore are the only team expected to win that will start on more points than their opposition,as Jupiter said, it seems pointless.

There is more of a gulf between teams in prems at the moment than there has been for a fair while and points systems will probably not address that, probably only squeeze out players from clubs, with the lower clubs having to go and get 7 point players if possible to be able to compete.

As has been said before, probably will only strengthen the ressies comp, with the cap meaning that the stronger clubs will need to rotate some of their players through ressies or rest them, good luck UNSW getting the likes of Pfeiffer,Aish,Towers, Jack etc under cap when it is 42pts or less.

Wise one what a strategy, getting experienced players to teach the kids coming through not only on the field but off it, only to have the AFL cap the points so they cannot teach on the field. Seems to go against the development of the code in Sydney.

Who is going to argue that these players are not good for the game?

[andreww1]

Wise one what a strategy, getting experienced players to teach the kids coming through not only on the field but off it, only to have the AFL cap the points so they cannot teach on the field. Seems to go against the development of the code in Sydney.

Who is going to argue that these players are not good for the game?

Now that is funny. I like your sense of humour!
You guys go and buy yourself a premiership and the rest of us are meant to believe it is for the good of the game! [emoji23]
Comic genius! [emoji23]


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[Old Puppy]

The only thing I actually like about this forum is that it shows up the lack of knowledge and intelligence about footy in Sydney of keyboard warriors like you andreww1 with your rubbish response.
Get a grip, can’t build a house without a foundation.

[Old Puppy]

Interesting to learn from non related contacts, that AFL Canberra has a points system with vastly different interpretations and grading that have been determined and a salary cap into the bargain.
Bet that will tick a few more KPI’s for the performance reviews!

Whilst I enjoy a poke from time to time, thoughts on the academy drafting over the last 5 years.

Or is this the recruitment strategy of our local Neafl club.

????

[5yearplan]

Old puppy..... welcome aboard. Seems you have some wise intelligence on facts on what is going on and sharing it will be valuable.

This thread I put out there for the premier division clubs, mainly for themen but it also is women’s too.

Is it really needed in Sydney

You rightly point out is is a KPI?

seems like it is more of a determination as well on clubs.

Main concern on this system is lack of consultation and more a dictation, who is it protecting ?

There is serious flaws on it, why implement such a soft system?

Looking on first few rounds clubs which have higher points are.... surprise surprise .... UTS no 19s, wests no 19s and Syd uni a neafl program.

Exception cats new to comp but not at level of the above 3.

Then you highlight. Pennno lowest of mob and well done. Soon we will if they start winning work a way to penalise them???? Surely not.

Other perceived stronger clubs bombers and eagles well under but have a junior program

Easts whilst on higher end still are not at level of non complying clubs and he neafl program club.

Its a flawed system which should of been consulted with key stake holders of all clubs playing in the division.

Soft cap for 2019 will be interesting what is determined for 2020. It’s clear there is no consultation with clubs as there is a clear imbalance already even with a soft cap.

The soft cap is in to protect the weaknesses of two clubs no junior program and one with a neafl program which has rules in place which allow for players to stay and be in their own system with support from the league,yet clubs like penno and a few others well under cop the determination from the league on how there is a manipulation of the top tier competition of Sydney Afl.

The women’s comp is amazing as this with AFLW and vflw impacting a lot of clubs. Also too how a AFLW is graded as they play in two comps.

This competition seems very transient and noting how the league deducts and promotes points without consideration of player loses can stymy a club with players in its regions through no fault of its own.

Facts in the women’s system are different but relevant too, if you win a flag but lose 10 players for example should you lose points for next season.... maintain a same or similar team maybe a argument but a early blanket rule minus a list being set is wrong

This will follow to prems men’s and it will be a debacle.

[andreww1]

The only thing I actually like about this forum is that it shows up the lack of knowledge and intelligence about footy in Sydney of keyboard warriors like you andreww1 with your rubbish response.
Get a grip, can’t build a house without a foundation.

Great comeback Old Puppy. Attack the person rather than address the issue. You will fit in well on this forum.
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