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Why do we use the finals as an excuse for a poor start?
Other previous season finals teams don't necessarily start slowly.
For example, Brisbane was 6-2 in 2004, 8-1-1 in 2003 and 6-1 in 2002.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
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Whilst it's obviously Roosy's strategy to build into a season, I think dismissing them as 'slow starts' is a bit misleading.
Eg:- The 4 losses in the 2-4 start to 2005 came against sides 2nd, 3rd, 3rd and 1st on the ladder at the time (ie. sides in form)
- we were actually 3-1 after 4 rounds in 2004 (and that loss was by 2 at the Gabba)
- 2003 was a slow start but understandable with it being the start of Roosy's first (full) year in charge (ie. some major changes to game plan etc over that summer)
It can also work the other way (eg. Brisbane's 6-2 start to 2004 included 4 wins against sides that didn't make the finals that year, and 1 other being against us by the 2 points mentioned above).
Just going on who we play and where this year I would have thought 3-3 would be an acceptable start in any case.Comment
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If its going to be such an even competition its dangerous to start so slowly.
You need to be top 4 to win the comp so lets not go dropping too many."As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk
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i wonder what Roosy's prepared response is to the 'premiership hangover' cliche that'll be dragged out should we start this season poorly he has at home? having asked...hopefully, we'll never know...Comment
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Just so you dont freak out by round 6 when we aren't top of the ladder again.Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why do we use the finals as an excuse for a poor start?
Having said all of that about previous premiership teams, keep in mind that this team under Roos has finished 3rd, 5th and 1st in the three full years under his tenure. And in each year the finishing position on the ladder has been predominantly determined by a strong performance in the second half of the season, and some really good finals performances.
One of the best ever Swans side I ever saw play (in 1987), under Tom Hafey ripped into some cracking form by.... Round 16. Three consectutive scores of 200 and there we were thinking the team was invincible, only to fail miserably in the finals.
The key is obviously to build some decent depth into the team in the first half of the season, whilst maintaining a mid-ladder position at worst. Then start to settle the side in the second half of the season (injuries permitting) whilst rotating some key youngsters from week to week (just to keep them fresh and interested). Then if all goes to plan you can afford to leave out some proven performers (Luke Vogels) in order to get the best team structure, and you begin to come up against sides who have less depth to turn to because they keep playing their A side week-in-week-out.Our Greatest Moment:
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It's a bit rich to say our 2005 team had the talent that could switch on at a moment's notice like those Lions teams. They have 3 Brownlow Medalists in the midfield alone!Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why do we use the finals as an excuse for a poor start?
Other previous season finals teams don't necessarily start slowly.
For example, Brisbane was 6-2 in 2004, 8-1-1 in 2003 and 6-1 in 2002.
Our game plan was the ultimate team playing to its absolute potential. That took a dozen rounds to start to look like it worked ok in 2005. It looked amazing on the run to the finals.The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of DisappointmentComment
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Of course it is. Yet a number of people here get offended when our premiership team isn't compared to Brisbane's...Originally posted by TheHood
It's a bit rich to say our 2005 team had the talent that could switch on at a moment's notice like those Lions teams. They have 3 Brownlow Medalists in the midfield alone!Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Rightyo...Originally posted by Schneiderman
Blah blah blah
Of course you missed the point - instead of thinking of excuses to explain a poor performance, why not just not perform poorly.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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oh the irony, the smug, smug irony....Originally posted by NMWBloods
Rightyo...
Of course you missed the point - instead of thinking of excuses to explain a poor performance, why not just not perform poorly.
i don't think roos has a goal of playing poorly at the start of the season. i think he actually has positive ambitions of trialling the modification of the game plan and introducing likely young players.
in 2005 our game-plan was precisely what we needed in a grand-final and the performances of our young players were critical in the latter part of the year.then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i knowComment
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I hope all Roos' excuses are not self-fulfilling. It seems dangerous to go into the early rounds with such a negative outlook and low expectations - and it is dangerous. Everything has to go right from halfway through the season onwards. Why not take advantage of a relatively easy start to the year and get wins up their sleeves early on. There is no reason why they can't play well for most, if not all, of the season as long as they don't have too many injuries. Sounds like Roos expects us to lose to Essendon, Carlton, Richmond etc. We should beat these teams no matter when we play them and I will be extremely disappointed if we don't. Making excuses before the season starts is a worrying sign.---------||--ANNE--||----------Comment
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And hence his comment that "In that last few years we have started our preparation later as we made the finals so it is obvious that in round one you are going to be a bit behind the majority of other teams that didn't play in the finals" is not really the reason if there is a poor start (and why would you be behind other teams for this reason anyway - half the teams play finals and you should be better than the other half anyway).Originally posted by timthefish
i don't think roos has a goal of playing poorly at the start of the season. i think he actually has positive ambitions of trialling the modification of the game plan and introducing likely young players.
If you look at our draw, we should be comfortably 6-3 by rd 9.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Yep.Originally posted by Nico
He's foxing.
Roos is every bit as good at the mind games as Sheedy. I reckon I could count on one hand the number of times he's actually said anything meaningful to the media.We hate Anthony Rocca
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Yep agree here. I sense we will belt the Aints tomorrow.Originally posted by Nico
He's foxing.Official Driver Of The "Who Gives A @@@@ As The Player Will Get Delisted Anyway" Bandwagon.
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