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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #31
    Originally posted by Schneiderman
    Well why else would someone get so upset that someone would dare defend Paul Roos?
    Maybe it's your absurd reactionary manner. Maybe it's more the case that you are the one who has become strangely very upset.

    Your 'defence' consists of commenting on my ego, saying I'm freaking out, that perhaps I'm feeling guilty, I'm 'hooking into him', I'm nitpicking, blah blah blah.

    Again, my initial point was simply that I don't understand why he feels that finals are legitimate excuse every year when other teams also have the same issue. It would be understandable perhaps for the grand finalists to start a bit slower (but not all do), but he's saying it's been the case for the past three years. Seems a strange excuse, but it's hardly the case I was "hooking into him" such that he needs such strident defence.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • Schneiderman
      The Fourth Captain
      • Aug 2004
      • 1615

      #32
      Originally posted by Charlie
      You are like some sort of moral crusader who thinks that just because you worship the ground upon Paul Roos walks, so must everyone else. Your haughty censuring of anybody who dares to think for themselves (which you appear incapable of doing) does get annoying.
      LOL. See NMW's quote above.
      - 'moral crusader'
      - 'worship the ground'
      - 'haughty censuring'

      Hardly.

      But then what would I know. I cant think for myself, unlike the rest of you who think the criticism is the only way to form an opinion.
      Our Greatest Moment:

      Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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      • Schneiderman
        The Fourth Captain
        • Aug 2004
        • 1615

        #33
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        Blah blah blah
        Mine is the aburd reactionary manner?

        My point was that just because Paul Roos makes some comments in the media (probably aimed at misleading the Melbourne media and the other coaches) you didn't have to get your knickers in a knot. Especially considering we hadn't even started the season proper.

        From where I sit, it seems almost every time he comes out in the media, you find an opportunity to have a shot at him or the team. You attack, I defend. Welcome to the new season.
        Our Greatest Moment:

        Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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        • Charlie
          On the Rookie List
          • Jan 2003
          • 4101

          #34
          I cannot recall ever seeing you make any comment that is not an unconditional endorsement of anything Paul Roos, the players and the club do. I can recall, however, frequent criticisim of people who dare to do this. Your suggestion that NMW might feel guilty (!) for daring to question Paul Roos is the best example yet.

          It is unrealistic to expect that you have assessed every single issue on which you have posted on their merits, and every time decided that on balance you agree with the club.
          We hate Anthony Rocca
          We hate Shannon Grant too
          We hate scumbag Gaspar
          But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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          • hammo
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2003
            • 5554

            #35
            Our record in the past three years will be no use if we find ourselves 1-4 or 2-5 and then Baz does a hammy or Goodsey does a knee.

            In our first three games we play two teams that missed the finals and Port at home.

            If we're not 3-0 then I'd be very disappointed. 3 early wins its 12 points they can never take off you.

            As Premiers we should be aiming for a top 2 finish which becomes very difficult with a slow start.

            I really can't understand the lowering of expectations by Roosy given the fact we have no key players out injured at the moment.
            "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #36
              Originally posted by Schneiderman
              Mine is the aburd reactionary manner?
              Yes.

              My point was that just because Paul Roos makes some comments in the media (probably aimed at misleading the Melbourne media and the other coaches) you didn't have to get your knickers in a knot. Especially considering we hadn't even started the season proper.
              I said "Why do we use the finals as an excuse for a poor start?" - this is "knickers in a knot"? It was simply a question on a strange comment given other teams appear in finals plus we have a decent fixture early.

              From where I sit, it seems almost every time he comes out in the media, you find an opportunity to have a shot at him or the team. You attack, I defend. Welcome to the new season.
              You sit in a very strange palce then. I don't comment on everything he says. Questioning what he says is not always an attack.

              I don't always attack him - I also praise him and the players. I have balance - have a look at some of my match reports. You always take the same party line and cannot stand anything else.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • Schneiderman
                The Fourth Captain
                • Aug 2004
                • 1615

                #37
                Originally posted by Charlie
                I cannot recall ever seeing you make any comment that is not an unconditional endorsement of anything Paul Roos, the players and the club do. I can recall, however, frequent criticisim of people who dare to do this. Your suggestion that NMW might feel guilty (!) for daring to question Paul Roos is the best example yet.

                It is unrealistic to expect that you have assessed every single issue on which you have posted on their merits, and every time decided that on balance you agree with the club.
                LOL. You accuse me of biased commentary, and yet your analysis of my comments is just as biased. I have had many pot shots at under-performing players, but like to see the positive in their efforts too.

                I didnt suggest NMW felt guilty, I just wondered why he was so sensitive to my efforts to defend the current premiership coach. And that applies for everyone that reacts so strongly to my defence of my team and a successful one at that. My defensive nature stems from my disdain of the 'Tall Poppy Syndrome'. We should celebrate successful people, rather than find opportunities to pick holes in what they say or do.

                My view of events: Paul Roos comes out and says (out of honesty or to out-fox the other coaches) that he is not fazed by our pre-season performance. We may lose a few games but then we did last year too.

                NMW's view: We are making excuses for poor performances again.

                We have both expressed our view, and I can happily agree to disagree. No need for you to jump in Dad.
                Our Greatest Moment:

                Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                • Ryan Bomford
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 652

                  #38
                  Ball up! Play on!

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Ryan Bomford
                    Ball up! Play on!
                    Of course - it is a Swans site!
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • Schneiderman
                      The Fourth Captain
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 1615

                      #40
                      Originally posted by hammo
                      I really can't understand the lowering of expectations by Roosy given the fact we have no key players out injured at the moment.
                      It has always been his way though. Regardless of our performance at the time, he has almost always hosed expectations and pulled out the 'no stars' and '22 players working hard together' lines. Admittedly frustrating to hear for supporters, but I seriously doubt there is any real substance to these comments. I am convinced they are purely pulp for the Melbourne media and possibly the other coaches (if they are still stupid enough to believe it).
                      Our Greatest Moment:

                      Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                      • ScottH
                        It's Goodes to cheer!!
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 23665

                        #41
                        Originally posted by hammo
                        I really can't understand the lowering of expectations by Roosy given the fact we have no key players out injured at the moment.
                        When was the last time he came out and said we WILL win this game/the next x games/the GF etc etc etc?

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                        • Sanecow
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 6917

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ScottH
                          When was the last time he came out and said we WILL win this game/the next x games/the GF etc etc etc?
                          To the players:

                          "I gave them a guarantee and that's something I don?t normally do, that if they give their maximum effort for two hours they would win a premiership," he said
                          Source

                          To the media:

                          Never.

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                          • ScottH
                            It's Goodes to cheer!!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 23665

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Sanecow
                            To the players:



                            Source

                            To the media:

                            Never.
                            I was referring to his media comments, not the his player meetings.

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                            • Sanecow
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 6917

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ScottH
                              I was referring to his media comments, not the his player meetings.
                              Good onya.

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                              • Charlie
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 4101

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Schneiderman
                                LOL. You accuse me of biased commentary, and yet your analysis of my comments is just as biased. I have had many pot shots at under-performing players, but like to see the positive in their efforts too.
                                Threads in which you have been critical of Paul Roos, please.

                                I didnt suggest NMW felt guilty, I just wondered why he was so sensitive to my efforts to defend the current premiership coach.
                                What do you call this?

                                Originally posted by SchneidermanUnless you feel guilty about your criticism,
                                And that applies for everyone that reacts so strongly to my defence of my team and a successful one at that. My defensive nature stems from my disdain of the 'Tall Poppy Syndrome'. We should celebrate successful people, rather than find opportunities to pick holes in what they say or do.
                                What rubbish. NMW's comments and the overwhelming majority of comments to which you take exception have nothing to do with Tall Poppy Syndrome. They are based entirely on disagreeing with his view or actions on certain issues. That is called thinking for one's self and having a balanced view. Tall Poppy Syndrome?

                                My view of events: Paul Roos comes out and says (out of honesty or to out-fox the other coaches) that he is not fazed by our pre-season performance. We may lose a few games but then we did last year too.
                                I agree that it's a nothing comment.

                                NMW's view: We are making excuses for poor performances again.
                                A view that he is entitled to without being taken to task by the thought police.

                                We have both expressed our view, and I can happily agree to disagree. No need for you to jump in Dad.
                                But you do not simply agree to disagree. You have a habit of implying that people are unfaithful in their support if they dare to criticise anything that the club does.
                                We hate Anthony Rocca
                                We hate Shannon Grant too
                                We hate scumbag Gaspar
                                But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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