Dockers win

[woo]

Originally posted by cruiser
Yes. Yay. Eat schit St Kilda.

yeah yeah yeah

[GoSouth33]

On balance, this is an equitable result. Just because the umpire didn't acknowledge fulltime doesn't mean it didn't happen then. Unlike league, union and soccer which do require a whistle to stop play, in Aussie Rules the players invariably stop when they hear the siren. The umpire blowing time only just appears to be a formality.

[cruiser]

Originally posted by 573v30
They enormous amount of media attention caused by this has made it disgraceful. I'm sorry but I think the lives of two trapped miners is much more important than 2 points...

Sure but we cant talk about just that and nothing else. Life goes on.

[anniswan]

I was saying to my son tonight, that I can't believe that the umpire when confronted with at least 6 Freo players screaming that the siren had gone, didn't think to himself, that maybe it had. It would have cost the ump nothing to check it before he continued, but he went on his merry way and created this debarcle.

If ths siren hadn't sounded he could have kept the game going, I think that the umpires should be accountable, as it was obvious that they must have known by the players remonstrating that the siren had gone.

[liz]

Originally posted by anniswan
I was saying to my son tonight, that I can't believe that the umpire when confronted with at least 6 Freo players screaming that the siren had gone, didn't think to himself, that maybe it had. It would have cost the ump nothing to check it before he continued, but he went on his merry way and created this debarcle.

If ths siren hadn't sounded he could have kept the game going, I think that the umpires should be accountable, as it was obvious that they must have known by the players remonstrating that the siren had gone.

Completely and utterly agree.

I think the umpires have been very willing to make the timekeeper a scapegoat over this.

The umpires were completely stupid in the way they handled this at the time, but this seems to have passed most people by.

[CureTheSane]

How about the sirens themselves?

Perhaps an upgrade?

I didn't hear the siren at the MGC GF last year, the first I knew of the win was when everyone jumped up "mexican wave" style and it reached me.

I lept up assuming the game was over, and then looked at the screen and saw Swans players lying on each otehr and knew it ha gone.
But I assume I was in a spot where perhaps there was no speaker near by and the crowd was pretty loud at the time.

In Launceston, you'd think that there would be a much quieter crowd (in sixe) and that the siren would be audible.

Regardless, before the decision was made I suggested that the timekeeper should have re-sounded the siren, and from what I've read here, that's the way the AFL saw it.

A just outcome.

When you have rules saying that (1) the umpires whistle sounds the end of the game, and at the same time (2) that the game is to last 80 minutes, then a 'rule would have been broken' either wy the decision went.

One could argue that a poor precedent could be set in either decision, but really, this is extremely unlikely to happen again (now that it has happened once)

St.Kilda won't appeal, because they don't want to look like @@@@s.

Also, how stupid did the umpires look, marking their cards when the game was finally over and talking out of the sides of their mouths to each other?

[graystar]

If the umpires had the balls to have a chat, they could have cancelled the point then and there. I would like to hear the evidence the umpires gave.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by CureTheSane
St.Kilda won't appeal, because they don't want to look like @@@@s.

They are thinking about it.

"We need the two points that we didn't deserve after playing like girls for 3 qtrs, and making a last ditch comeback. We deserve those 2 points, because we will struggle to make the eight without them. Have you seen our fantastic playing list? Have you seen our coach? WE NEED THEM, PLEASE!!"

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by Destructive
Agreed. I reckon the game should end when the siren goes.

No i think the game should go on until we are in front.

The umpires didn't hear the siren - so it's up to the timekeeper to make sure they do. You can't just touch the button and go back to your crossword puzzle.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by liz
Completely and utterly agree.

I think the umpires have been very willing to make the timekeeper a scapegoat over this.

The umpires were completely stupid in the way they handled this at the time, but this seems to have passed most people by.

I disagree*. This is SOLELY the timekeeper's stuff up. It's his responsibility to ensure the ump's have heard the siren. If they haven't - ring it again (or ring it until they signal they've heard it). Simple.

*although I agree they are generally stupid.

How about the siren button also sends a signal to electrodes attached to the umpires scrotum?

[NMWBloods]

I don't think this opens any can of worms or sets any (unwelcome) precedent.

It was not an umpiring decision, therefore we are not going to see any challenges to incorrect umpiring decisions.

The rules state the game goes for 4 x 20 minutes quarters.

This is monitored by a timekeeper who sounds a siren at the end of time until the umpires hear it.

When the umpires hear it, they call for the end of the game.

There is no umpiring decision here. They have no choice to make. They hear the siren, they call the end of the game. It is simply a process to end the game. (and the only reason it is necessary rather than stop the game on the siren itself is because of the time it takes for the sound to reach the umpires).

In the game on Sunday the most important rule IMHO that is breached is the 80 minute game one. The game cannot go past 80 minutes and anything past that time is not part of the game.

This rule was breached and then subsequently the timekeeper rule was breached.

This meant that the umpires could not carry out their role in the end of game mechanism, however it is the final aspect of it, and given the rules had already been breached to that date they could not do so. This is completely different to incorrect umpiring decisions.

As an aside, Matthew Nicholls was a moron in that final situation. Given the umpires knew already the siren was not loud and the game was near its end and the Fremantle players were yelling at him that the siren had gone, he should have stopped play and checked. DHS is also a moron for defending him.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by cruiser
Sure but we cant talk about just that and nothing else. Life goes on.

True.

[Old Royboy]

I've just got back from NZ, so havn't read right through all these threads. But I reckon this schemozzle could could not have happened in the days when everybody used to jump the fence the instant the siren went.

The whole thing proves to me that the AFL goes to the deaf dumb and blind institute to recruit their officials.

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by Agent 86
How about the siren button also sends a signal to electrodes attached to the umpires scrotum?

No. For fear they'd enjoy it.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
No. For fear they'd enjoy it.

Good point. S&M is big enough in umpiring already (they obviously love being abused).