Match thread - Round 13 v Tigers

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  • Sandridge
    Outer wing, Lake Oval
    • Apr 2010
    • 2049

    #46
    Originally posted by Hotpotato

    Well
    I’m thrilled to bits for Ol Man Sandy , he’s in 7th heaven!!
    Thank you! Our Swannies gave him the perfect birthday present! !

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    • crackedactor 01
      Regular in the Side
      • Jun 2020
      • 730

      #47
      Originally posted by longmile
      Also thought Cunningham and mills being back was much needed as both played well and freed up Blakey
      Agree! the present of Mils and Cunningham brought some structure to our backline. However our inability to take a contested mark is obviously a major problem, especially against good sides.

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      • mcs
        Travelling Swannie!!
        • Jul 2007
        • 8149

        #48
        A win is a win. It wasn't pretty in parts, it wasn't efficient, but a decent amount of grunt in the effort, which was pleasing.

        Pleased to see Mills have a good game - the amount of hate he seems to be getting from some of the Swans fan base for what has been a bad run of injuries is ridiculous. The bloke is still a classy footballer and an important leader at the club. Hope he can build off here and have a big second half of the season so to quieten some of the critics.

        Nice to see Blakey looking a lot more at home too - freed up by the return of Millsy and Cunningham, which gave significant structure to the backline. They either need to drop Bice or let him play on his natural side. Can't hit a barn door at 20m at the moment, keeps poking at kicks - but I think a lot of that is because he is on the wrong side of the ground for how he kicks.
        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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        • Nico
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 11328

          #49
          Originally posted by mcs
          A win is a win. It wasn't pretty in parts, it wasn't efficient, but a decent amount of grunt in the effort, which was pleasing.

          Pleased to see Mills have a good game - the amount of hate he seems to be getting from some of the Swans fan base for what has been a bad run of injuries is ridiculous. The bloke is still a classy footballer and an important leader at the club. Hope he can build off here and have a big second half of the season so to quieten some of the critics.

          Nice to see Blakey looking a lot more at home too - freed up by the return of Millsy and Cunningham, which gave significant structure to the backline. They either need to drop Bice or let him play on his natural side. Can't hit a barn door at 20m at the moment, keeps poking at kicks - but I think a lot of that is because he is on the wrong side of the ground for how he kicks.
          I made the same comment about Bice being on the wrong side of the ground. Maybe that side of the ground is Blakey's domain. So you move Bice to the wing. Then what do they do when Gulden is back?
          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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          • imuninformedtwo
            Warming the Bench
            • Aug 2024
            • 348

            #50
            Originally posted by Nico

            I made the same comment about Bice being on the wrong side of the ground. Maybe that side of the ground is Blakey's domain. So you move Bice to the wing. Then what do they do when Gulden is back?
            It’s true but Bice also has a kink in his game at the moment. He often gets the ball in space and rather than run on, pauses, looks left and right, then stutters, then moves and tries his stab kicks. Which often end up grubbering. You’d like to see him go first. And it’s been there for a few weeks.

            It’s very coachable and a function of confidence but in a few weeks there will - touch wood - be some spots up for grabs so I hope he sorts it out.

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            • Blue Sun
              Senior Player
              • May 2010
              • 1438

              #51
              Mills was solid today, so was Cunningham. I reckon having those two back freed up BOG Blakey a bit. Getting Fox back next week will also be handy.

              Our reckon our forward line will be dangerous when we have Amartey, McDonald and Papley all back. And when Gulden is back, we actually might be pretty good.

              This season is cooked, but there’s still some top tier talent in this side.

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              • stevoswan
                Veterans List
                • Sep 2014
                • 8543

                #52
                Nice to have a win. Looked a bit grim before half time but the lads got their act together.

                Hopefully after the bye we get more talent back and run out the season in a way that makes the fans proud. Happy for Coxy too after last weeks debacle.

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                • imuninformedtwo
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Aug 2024
                  • 348

                  #53
                  Originally posted by stevoswan
                  Nice to have a win. Looked a bit grim before half time but the lads got their act together.

                  Hopefully after the bye we get more talent back and run out the season in a way that makes the fans proud. Happy for Coxy too after last weeks debacle.
                  One good thing out of today was how we recovered from the first quarter thinking, when watching it, was easy to think,grrr, here we go again.

                  That collective brain fade when Prestia was allowed to play on and goal from the pocket was, dare I say it, rabble like. You could easily see a side getting very jittery after that. To recover and get back into it was a plus.

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                  • Velour&Ruffles
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 896

                    #54
                    On Bice- we have seen what he is capable of when he’s allowed to do his thing. His kicking earlier this year was laser-like, damaging, and he can run. To me his current issues look as if he’s trying to conform to a highly structured game plan rather than just play his natural game. Let the guy do his thing. Where are the jaw-dropping long kicks from Marvel a few months back? He can be MUCH more damaging than dinky 15m kicks in the backline. He hasn’t lost the ABILITY. Why do we recruit someone for their run and long kicking and then once we see that for a few weeks ask them to do something different? By the same thought process, we should use Gulden as a defensive halfback when he comes back- makes about as much sense.
                    My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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                    • Roadrunner
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 1444

                      #55
                      Originally posted by imuninformedtwo

                      One good thing out of today was how we recovered from the first quarter thinking, when watching it, was easy to think,grrr, here we go again.

                      That collective brain fade when Prestia was allowed to play on and goal from the pocket was, dare I say it, rabble like. You could easily see a side getting very jittery after that. To recover and get back into it was a plus.
                      We were shaky for a while but gradually fought our way back. This will give us a bit of confidence but let’s be honest- the Tigers didn’t threaten a lot after a 1st quarter. I thought everyone put in a decent shift and special mention to Grundy, Rowie and the Lizard. Still disappointed to see Lloyd playing like he has recently and his spot must surely come under scrutiny. Corey needs some time in the ressies but I’m still hopeful as he did a couple of nice things.

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                      • Thunder Shaker
                        Aut vincere aut mori
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4148

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Roadrunner

                        We were shaky for a while but gradually fought our way back. This will give us a bit of confidence but let’s be honest- the Tigers didn’t threaten a lot after a 1st quarter. I thought everyone put in a decent shift and special mention to Grundy, Rowie and the Lizard. Still disappointed to see Lloyd playing like he has recently and his spot must surely come under scrutiny. Corey needs some time in the ressies but I’m still hopeful as he did a couple of nice things.
                        After the bye week, we could have all these players available who weren't available this week: Amartey, Fox, Gulden, Papley. If they all play in round 15, four players will need to make way.

                        I'm satisfied that we got the win over one of the teams we hadn't beaten since the start of last season. Two more teams remain on that list: St Kilda (round 18) and Brisbane (round 22). I would add Port Adelaide (round 15) to that list because we haven't beaten them in the home and away season since 2016. We may not get all three results (Brisbane are hard to beat) but we must be a chance to get two.
                        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                        • SwanSand
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Aug 2020
                          • 523

                          #57
                          Forward line is a mess but keeping Chad and Heeney in that line up really helps.
                          Corey Warner needs to be dropped. I would take Florent in his place. The other player who is really not doing a lot is Hayward. But he had a better game and our line up is so bad in the forward half that we need to persevere with him. But we need to go after an established small forward I think. Hayward ideally needs to play the Ollie Dempsey role but he just cannot find the space for some reason.
                          not sure Matt Roberts and Bice both work in the backline. With Cunningham back I would think we should shift Roberts on the wing or drop Bice to the VFL to work on his kicking. He is now doing the up and under kicks that are easy to pick up and his decision making is really poor now.
                          Cunningham what a champion. He really gave a spine to the defence structure and Mills too. We should persevere with Mills as the extra in defence. He should be the complementary to the Warner heeney forward half role where he predominantly plays the back half role and Blakey gets the ticket to rove anywhere and drifts forward as a result.

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                          • KSAS
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2018
                            • 1763

                            #58
                            That was a nuch needed win to say the least, after the previous 2 weeks performances. Hard to gauge merit of win, considering the Tigers drop off after qtr time, which could be due in part to our increased pressure around the ball. Nevertheless. there were some promising signs and hope the team were able to regain some level of confidence.

                            Cox intimated in his presser that Gulden & Papley could be available in the first week or two post bye, if all goes well with their build up. Gulden appears a week ahead of Paps. Wonder if they'll need to return via the VFL due to their lengthy lay offs. as,we've done with other senior players recently?

                            Selection will be interesting post bye with Armatey being also available from suspension. Valid posts made above with the potential changes. We may be in position of having form players fighting for spots and enabling dropping those who have tailed off.

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                            • Nico
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11328

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Velour&Ruffles
                              On Bice- we have seen what he is capable of when he’s allowed to do his thing. His kicking earlier this year was laser-like, damaging, and he can run. To me his current issues look as if he’s trying to conform to a highly structured game plan rather than just play his natural game. Let the guy do his thing. Where are the jaw-dropping long kicks from Marvel a few months back? He can be MUCH more damaging than dinky 15m kicks in the backline. He hasn’t lost the ABILITY. Why do we recruit someone for their run and long kicking and then once we see that for a few weeks ask them to do something different? By the same thought process, we should use Gulden as a defensive halfback when he comes back- makes about as much sense.
                              Bice had Robertsitis.
                              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16731

                                #60
                                Six things we learned: Dropping Ginnivan was smart coaching

                                So after we beat Carlton a couple of weeks ago, we were too reliant on our stars. I suspect our stars that week were just Heeney and Warner. It may have been a fair observation for that game.

                                But apparently yesterday's (flawed) win indicates we are still too reliant on our stars, though that group has now been expanded to include Mills, Blakey and Rowbottom, with Papley and Errol acknowledged to be in the wings. Strange, given Grundy was one of the best couple on the ground, while Melican, Cunningham, McCartin, Wicks, McInerney and Jordon all had pretty solid (or more than solid games), while a few others were decent enough.

                                Is there any team in the competition that doesn't rely on its best dozen or so players to play well?

                                There are far more insightful things (including criticisms) that might have been said about yesterday's performance than "they rely on their stars".

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