Kangaroos fan accident

[CureTheSane]

Originally posted by goswannie14
A few problems with this comment. It's not illegal to commit suicide, or even attempt suicide.

I was speaking as a member of the Catholic faith.......

OK, I'm not Catholic really, but I did think suicide was illegal.

I've been known to be wrong once before though......

(insert tongue and big teeth smilies here for JF)

[NMWBloods]

I was pretty sure suicide was illegal too.

[anniswan]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I was pretty sure suicide was illegal too.

I am pretty sure technically it is as well, however you don't have anyone to prosecute.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by anniswan
I am pretty sure technically it is as well, however you don't have anyone to prosecute.

Unless they fail.

[anniswan]

Yeah, the times they fail are usually addressed by psych care and it's covered up. So there is very rarely a procecution as it would only compound the problem.

[SimonH]

Originally posted by anniswan
Yeah, the times they fail are usually addressed by psych care and it's covered up. So there is very rarely a procecution as it would only compound the problem.

No, I can assure you that while it was a crime as recently as a few decades ago, it's not a crime. (The absurdity of only being able to prosecute someone for an offence, when they fail to commit it, was just one of the reasons for abolishing the offence.) The crime of suicide was abolished in NSW in 1984. I can't give you an exact date for Victoria, but it would have been roughly the same era.

It's presumptuous (to use a nice word) to speculate on what motivated this guy to end his life, and what role if any the altercation with Laidley played. Hardly the sort of thing that people should throw their opinions about, around on an internet forum that is designed for discussion about footy, not mental health issues.

[CureTheSane]

Originally posted by SimonH
The absurdity of only being able to prosecute someone for an offence, when they fail to commit it, was just one of the reasons for abolishing the offence

So with that line of thinking, would you say that the dude who is being prosecuted for the 9/11 stuff even though he was in jail at the time is wrong?
I gather he is being prosecuted for planning or helping plan what happened, but he didn't actually do anything.
Surely the death penalty or life in jail is far too heafty a punishment for someone who may have had a big change of heart had he been involved directly at the time.

[wheels27]

Hasn't Bin Laden released something to the effect that bloke knew nothing and wouldn't have been involved anyway?

Just thought I heard that somewhere.



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Originally posted by CureTheSane
In the end he broke the law in committing suicide, and endangered the lives of people in the process.
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Another thing, too, I would have thought jumping in front of a train endangers plenty of other lives, heavy braking could turn pear-shaped quickly couldn't it?

Plus it's not very cool for the driver either

[CureTheSane]

Originally posted by wheels27


Another thing, too, I would have thought jumping in front of a train endangers plenty of other lives, heavy braking could turn pear-shaped quickly couldn't it?

Plus it's not very cool for the driver either

Yeah, I thought about it that way too.
But not only that, what about someone who sees what he is doing and tries to save him?

[wheels27]

I guess suicide, by it's very nature, allows no thought for those around the person, if there was any, they wouldn't go through with it.


This may annoy some, but I have no sympathy for suicidals, cowardly and selfish IMO.

[Provost]

Suicide is not a crime under Victorian law.
It hasn't been since an amendment to the 'Crimes ACT 1958' made in 1967.

http://www.dms.dpc.vic.gov.au/

CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 6A

6A. Suicide no longer a crime

The rule of law whereby it is a crime for a person to commit or to attempt to commit suicide is hereby abrogated.

BTW has the State Coroner's Office of Victoria concluded it was suicide?

[wheels27]

Good point, all just heresay.

He may have fallen onto the tracks accidentally, in which case - the poor bugger!

[SimonH]

Originally posted by CureTheSane
So with that line of thinking, would you say that the dude who is being prosecuted for the 9/11 stuff even though he was in jail at the time is wrong?
I gather he is being prosecuted for planning or helping plan what happened, but he didn't actually do anything.
Surely the death penalty or life in jail is far too heafty a punishment for someone who may have had a big change of heart had he been involved directly at the time.

Without wanting to turn this into a Crim Law 101 lecture: the fact that a crime can, by its nature, only be prosecuted if it isn't completed successfully, is a different issue from whether a person who doesn't physically participate in a crime that actually occurs can/should be prosecuted.

The law says that if the criminal acts actually occur, and the person participates in those actions (whether by physically doing them, or any other means), then the person's guilty of an offence. The most obvious example is the getaway driver at an armed robbery. Never holds a gun, never puts anyone in fear of violence, never demands money from anyone, but is just as guilty of armed robbery as the rest of the crew.

Have no idea what the case was against Moussaoui (beyond superficial media reports), so I have no idea if his prosecution was on solid ground. If he was prosecuted under Australian law, it would need to be proved not only that he knew that 9/11 was gunna happen, but that (with that knowledge) he provided some tangible support or assistance to the plotters.

Just slightly off the topic now, aren't we...

[CureTheSane]

Yeah, good points and I see your POV.
I think I agree with it also, and the bloke in the States should face charges even though he was in jail at the time.
Whether or not the charges/penalties should be the same as for someone who actually committed the crimes directly would probably be up for debate though.

This thread isn't as off topic as most thread dare to stray