Drop Kirk

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by stellation
Why is it a "differing opinion" for some and "trolling" for others? Is it okay for people to not be impressed with the performances of Nic Fosdike/Nick Davis/(insert outside midfielder so CLEARLY isn't really one of "the bloods") but not a "real blood"/"in and under" guy like Kirk?

Ah you noticed that too...

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by stellation
Why is it a "differing opinion" for some and "trolling" for others? Is it okay for people to not be impressed with the performances of Nic Fosdike/Nick Davis/(insert outside midfielder so CLEARLY isn't really one of "the bloods") but not a "real blood"/"in and under" guy like Kirk?

rokster isn't overly keen on Kirk's performance at the moment, and in all honesty I'm not either. I don't think he should be dropped, but I think they may need to review the role he is playing in the midfield.

I couldn't have put it any more succinctly myself! So I'll just say, I agree.

[Mel]

Kirky was limping quite badly yesterday and would only kick with his right foot if at all. Obviously sore, but I don't know if it's an injury or just general soreness from Saturday night.

[SimonH]

Originally posted by stellation
Why is it a "differing opinion" for some and "trolling" for others?

Because I don't believe that 'dump Kirk for Moore' (last week) or 'dump Kirk (regardless of replacement)' (this week) is a serious contribution to debate about either the Swans generally or Kirk's performance in particular. Instead, it's a deliberate attempt to make an outrageous statement, for whatever perverse satisfaction the maker gets in producing an outraged response in others, i.e. a troll.

Whether something is a troll is clearly a matter of opinion, because it's based on forming a view about the intention of the person making the post or starting the thread. In my opinion, this is well and truly the far side of the trolling line. If others differ and think it's a serious contribution to debate, bully for them.

PS Trade Hall for Scott Stevens at the end of the year. And throw in our first round draft pick to sweeten the deal. Just my opinion, mind: don't get upset.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Ah you noticed that too...

Says the man that sets the standard for crying "troll".

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by SimonH
It seems like the #1 rule of trolling is if at first you don't succeed, inflame, inflame again.

I thought the number 1 rule of trolling was living under a bridge?

Kirk is playing poorly. He has limited abilities. Without the effort and endeavour he has built his reputation on he does not offer much. All that anyone has managed to say in his defence is that he is number 2 for tackles and shut down Peter Bell. He is a senior player, a co-captain and a reigning best and fairest and all that he can manage is to tag an old man in a dysfunctional midfield. He wont keep up with the Adelaide midfield. He obviously needs a rest or a rocket. Why not put a kid in and rather than tell them to try and shut down an Adelaide player, tell them to go and get their hands on it?

[goswannie14]

Are you meaning that Kirk should show some leadership by dropping himself due to his poor current form/injury?

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by goswannie14
Are you meaning that Kirk should show some leadership by dropping himself due to his poor current form/injury?

No. I'm suggesting that the team's performance is currently (in the main) lacklustre, and that Kirk is lacking more lustre than most. I do not seriously think that he will be dropped but he is not contributing much this year - by anyone's standards, not just his own high ones. Fosdike/Davis/MOL are all giving us more at the moment, but there have been cries for their positions. Some suggested drop Crouch. Those suggestions were mocked - he was the player of the finals! He was - this season he looked sore and tired and not fit enough to do his job. Obviously sense prevailed. Kirk looks tired and slow too. As I said, give him a rest or give him a rocket.

[mocaholic]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Good point J Alfred. I love the way he drills those passes in off his left boot... 100 m.p.h., never more than chest height off the ground... phhhwizzz through the air...

Kirky's disposal is certainly not Buckley-esque, I'll grant you. No bullets, nothing over 40m. But you know...he generally hits targets by foot; yes, even those floaters. The players are aware of these limitations and play accordingly. I'd rather trust him to hit a bloke than Goodes or B1 or Fossie, anyday.

Yes, he is definitely down on 2005 form, but I think he does a little more than simply tag. There's no point putting him on a Goodwin admittedly who'd burn him off, I'd rather he actually got the pill rather than tagging. Depends on who wins the tap - if he gets a few clearances early it'd do him the world of good.

IMNSHO.

(Heh heh heh...J. Alfred...nyuk nyuk. Upbringing with the classics, ROK?)

[snajik]

This is a bloke that has been our most consistent performer over the three preceding seasons, possibly the most consistent performer in the competition over this period. A Best and Fairest, a Best and Fairest Runner-up, 4th in a Brownlow, All-Australian selection, a co-captain - not the sort of player you can be flippant about.

I concede that his form has been average this year, not great but not poor. However, there's no evidence to suggest his drop in form has anything to do with ego. He's only ever struck me as being somewhat self-effacing. He only needs a couple of strong games under his belt to find to recapture what we know he's capable of. If he gets carved up over the next fortnight, maybe then it's time to reassess his role. Going to the footy and not seeing Kirky out there would be kind of weird though I'd reckon. I sense that he'll bounce back.

[snajik]

Originally posted by mocaholic
There's no point putting him on a Goodwin admittedly who'd burn him off, I'd rather he actually got the pill rather than tagging.

Yet he has played on Goodwin previously and wiped the floor with him.

[chammond]

Originally posted by mocaholic
(Heh heh heh...J. Alfred...nyuk nyuk. Upbringing with the classics, ROK?)

Classics?

I'm reasonably confident that Eliot was not of ancient Greek or Roman origin.

[chammond]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Says the man that sets the standard for crying "troll".

That's because, in your case, he is using the phrase euphemistically.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by chammond
That's because, in your case, he is using the phrase euphemistically.

But I'm beautiful.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by chammond
Classics?

I'm reasonably confident that Eliot was not of ancient Greek or Roman origin.

But I am confident that Stella is.