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  • ugg
    Can you feel it?
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 15963

    Hinds slams RWO.

    if you read between the lines

    Talented he may be but Davo hasn't earned recall


    Just 10 months after Sydney won a premiership that was widely seen to be the product of hard work, discipline and leadership, one poll - quite possibly flawed - even suggested more Swans fans backed Davis than Roos on the issue of the forward's demotion.

    That not only shows how fickle and short-sighted fans - of any sport and club - can be. It also means that the "Bloods" culture that was credited with so much of the Swans' success last year is either underappreciated or misunderstood.
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  • Sanecow
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Mar 2003
    • 6917

    #2
    I guess he is bitter that RWO poke fun at the incorrect captions, misquotes and website swipes that his rag prints daily.

    Interestingly enough (a quote, so no credit to Hinds and it is quite possibly a misquote):

    "In that case, you could argue that the club was treating a particular player differently, and that in some people's book amounts to favouritism," writes McLean. "Which it is."
    Indeed.

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    • Legs Akimbo
      Grand Poobah
      • Apr 2005
      • 2809

      #3
      Make sense of this will ya...

      So whether Davis was dumped, as Roos insists, because of form and fitness, or whether there were off-field issues, there is a good reason why such a talented player has not been given the latitude that other, less talented players might have been. In the eyes of the Bloods, he simply hasn't earned it.
      i. He has earnt it. he kicked 4 goals in the final against Geelong last year in one of the game's great INDIVIDUAL performances.

      ii. Does this mean that if Philips rocked up to training eating KFC and then failed to go to the massage session and didn't fill out his recovery sheet, it would be okay, because he is LESS talented than Nick Davis?

      iii. Or, is he talking about latitude of on-field performances. Yeah, Ben Mathews got plenty of latitude - he mostly kicks it sideways. Not much latitude given to Spriggs of late, perhaps he hasn't earnt it either.

      iv. the poll on who was right - Roos or Davis, was not 'possibly' flawed. It was an unsampled self selection question asked on a popular fan bulletin board. I am suprised he even cited it.

      Whatever the virtues of this Richard Hinds knob, logic and a commitment to quality journalism are not amongst them.
      He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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      • stellation
        scott names the planets
        • Sep 2003
        • 9718

        #4
        I don't see how the title of the piece aligns with the actual content. The title suggests the article will discuss why Davis has yet to win his spot/favour with Roos and the leadership group back (possibly written prior to him being named as an Emergency?), yet it only discusses the well worn issue of him being dropped in the first place. Perhaps the story is that far behind the times that they have opted for a current sounding title to not sound like slow hacks?
        I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
        We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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        • Schneiderman
          The Fourth Captain
          • Aug 2004
          • 1615

          #5
          Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
          i. He has earnt it. he kicked 4 goals in the final against Geelong last year in one of the game's great INDIVIDUAL performances.
          So he obviously earnt your respect. That doesn't mean the team though.
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          • Legs Akimbo
            Grand Poobah
            • Apr 2005
            • 2809

            #6
            Originally posted by Schneiderman
            So he obviously earnt your respect. That doesn't mean the team though.
            Not necessarily. I am just commenting on the contradictions of this so called 'article'.
            He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #7
              "It also means that the "Bloods" culture that was credited with so much of the Swans' success last year is either underappreciated or misunderstood."

              Or just massively overstated in importance.

              3 seconds from another crappy year...
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • garethb83
                On the Rookie List
                • Sep 2005
                • 238

                #8
                Although i think the Bloods ethos is fantastic and all that, i think at certain points last year it was overrated.

                In the Semi, it wasn't the Bloods ethos that got them home, it was some pieces of individual brilliance. The cats were just as hard and tough as us in that game, it was a tough, horrid game of footy with a fantastic ending.

                In the Prelim, there it got us home. Those images of a beaten and bloodied Kirky rallying the troops at 3/4 time will remain with me forever. We were outplayed for the 2nd and half the 3rd quarters, and we rallied, they showed fight and blew the Saints off the park.

                My post has nothing to do with Nick Davis getting back into the team or anything. Its all got to do with this article that this tool has written.

                As a Swans fan for quite a number of years (although nowhere near as many as some), like most on here, i know what its like for our side to get bundled out with little fuss year after year.

                The whole notion that it was the Bloods ethos that won us the premiership, its just crap. We all understand it and appreciate it, but we aren't blind to the fact that this team code wouldn't have got us the premiership alone, it needed some help, and thats why there is disagreement in the ranks about if and when he should come back and whether he should have been dropped at all.

                Easily one of the worst articles i've read this year, lacking depth and understanding of where the subjects of part of the story are coming from.

                So if you check this site, and obviously someone from their paper does, get a clue you @@@@.

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                • Sanecow
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 6917

                  #9
                  I find it interesting that the Bloods culture is also partly founded on a lie:

                  "Among other things, the team agreed ... that no lead was insurmountable"
                  Five goals down, seconds to go.

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                  • CureTheSane
                    Carpe Noctem
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 5032

                    #10
                    Jesus, I agree with him.

                    But that's what a message board is for.
                    People come here to sook and complain about lots of stuff - big deal.

                    As for Davis, it seems that Roos isn't as swayed by the public as the board most surely was by that stupid SSI, which is a shame really. Since SSI most definately got Roos the captaincy and they allowed him to win a flag for the club and us all, maybe they should intervene and demand Davis back.

                    Roos clearly owes them.

                    What the hell happened to them anyway?
                    I feel for the suckers who contributed financially to that bunch of tossers....
                    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                    • Schneiderman
                      The Fourth Captain
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 1615

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods
                      3 seconds from another crappy year...
                      It takes a lot of effort to be able to see a Premiership victory as simply just a close call with disaster.
                      Our Greatest Moment:

                      Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Schneiderman
                        It takes a lot of effort to be able to see a Premiership victory as simply just a close call with disaster.
                        You don't think we were merely seconds from a crappy year?
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • Bart
                          CHHHOMMMMMPPP!!!!
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 1360

                          #13
                          Originally posted by CureTheSane
                          Jesus, I agree with him.

                          But that's what a message board is for.
                          People come here to sook and complain about lots of stuff - big deal.

                          As for Davis, it seems that Roos isn't as swayed by the public as the board most surely was by that stupid SSI, which is a shame really. Since SSI most definately got Roos the captaincy and they allowed him to win a flag for the club and us all, maybe they should intervene and demand Davis back.

                          Roos clearly owes them.

                          What the hell happened to them anyway?
                          I feel for the suckers who contributed financially to that bunch of tossers....
                          Choose Roos have now reinvented themselves as Pick Nick which is funny. I agree with Hinds too. Anyone interested in having a separate forum for non-Nick apologists ? Doesn't appear there will be many of us on there, but at least we can chat about things like footy and the upcoming finals and totally unrelated stuff like that.

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                          • Sanecow
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 6917

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            You don't think we were merely seconds from a crappy year?
                            Anyone who didn't get a sinking feeling during the Geelong game or feel like throwing up at 3/4 time during the Grand Final either hasn't followed the Swans long enough to recognize another wasted year or has followed them long enough to be immune.

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                            • ScottH
                              It's Goodes to cheer!!
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 23665

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sanecow
                              Anyone who didn't get a sinking feeling during the Geelong game or feel like throwing up at 3/4 time during the Grand Final either hasn't followed the Swans long enough to recognize another wasted year or has followed them long enough to be immune.
                              The latter.

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