Reserves

[ugg]

No, a second cousin is where you have the same greatgrandparents which is not the case here. That is, Mitch and the sons/daughters of the Daniher trio would be second cousins.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Let's get him back where he belongs.

Coach doesn't seem to think so...

But Swans coach Paul Roos said there was no pressure on the reigning premier to bring Davis or Crouch back into the side immediately.

"It's a good position for us to be in," Roos said. "Certainly with Crouchy we'd traditionally rush him back into the team but there's not as much pressure to do that now.

"And with Davo, obviously with the forwards going well it makes it a little bit harder for him."

Swans exciting new forward prospect Heath Grundy is making it hard for Davis after another promising performance on Saturday.

Roos also expects premiership defender Ben Mathews, who is still recovering from a calf injury to figure in the selection equation just before the finals.

I hate to harp on it, but is all the Benny crap meant to rub ND's nose in it?

[chammond]

Let me see if I've got this right -

Grundy kicks a "bag" virtually every game for the reserves; Davis does it once in 4 reserves games.

Davis kicks 18 goals in 12 senior games; Grundy kicks 7 in 4 games.

Davis has had 4 goalless games out of 12; Grundy has had 1 goalless game in 4.

We haven't lost a game with the current forward set-up.

I must have missed something . . . why do we need Davis?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by chammond
I must have missed something . . .

Yes... but you must be used to it by now...

[ScottH]

This is why.

[ugg]

Originally posted by chammond
Let me see if I've got this right -

Grundy kicks a "bag" virtually every game for the reserves; Davis does it once in 4 reserves games.

Davis kicks 18 goals in 12 senior games; Grundy kicks 7 in 4 games.

Davis has had 4 goalless games out of 12; Grundy has had 1 goalless game in 4.

We haven't lost a game with the current forward set-up.

I must have missed something . . . why do we need Davis?

That's somewhat fallacious as Davis plays more in the midfield in the reserves than he does in the seniors. In addition, Grundy plays exclusively in the forwards, but also as the main forward target.

That said, I would like to see Grundy still in the side as I think he takes pressure off of Hall and especially O'Loughlin. However with Doyle coming into the side, they might play him instead as the third tall as one Roosy quote this morning seemed to indicate.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by chammond
Let me see if I've got this right...I must have missed something...why do we need Davis?

'cos I'm feral. Oh, and the words "proven match winner".

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by chammond
Grundy kicks a "bag" virtually every game for the reserves; Davis does it once in 4 reserves games.

The Bloods ethos is not about who kicks the most goals.

[stellation]

Originally posted by chammond
Let me see if I've got this right -

Grundy kicks a "bag" virtually every game for the reserves; Davis does it once in 4 reserves games.

Grundy lines up at FF in the reserves with a purpose of kicking goals, I like the look of him there but he really is an old fashioned mark/shot on goal full-forward and doesn't look to set him teammates up. Davis lines up in the midfield in the reserves and is looking to setup teammates more than kick goals him self, he is still averaging 3.5 goals per game (across only 4, so not a great deal of value in the stats).

Davis kicks 18 goals in 12 senior games; Grundy kicks 7 in 4 games.

Davis has averaged 1.5 goals across a larger number of games whilst Grundy has averaged 1.75, it would be pretty naive to assume that averaging 1.75 in 4 games means you will kick 21 in 12.

Davis has had 4 goalless games out of 12; Grundy has had 1 goalless game in 4.

3 of the games that Davis didn't kick a goal in were together in one slump, his other game was round 1 where he spent a fair bit of time in the midfield and had around 20 disposals.

I like Heath, but I don't think he and Davis are apples and apples. Can I ask why you didn't include disposals in the comparison?

[chammond]

Originally posted by ScottH
This is why.

1 match-winning performance in 130 games???

Vogels has 1 match-winning performance in 11 games, and he's in the reserves!

[Sanecow]

Let's not drop Grundy for Davis then, let's drop Magic.

[stellation]

Originally posted by chammond
1 match-winning performance in 130 games???

Vogels has 1 match-winning performance in 11 games, and he's in the reserves!

If you are going to include Luke's game against the Bulldogs then Nick has a hell of a lot more than 1 match winning performance.

[liz]

Doesn't all this mean that Davis is not really competing with Grundy for a spot? If Roos wants an additional tall forward target, Grundy is probably better placed to fufill that role than Davis. As suggested by someone else above, Grundy's ongoing presence in the team may be affected more by how they want to use Doyle when he's not rucking, rather than by the imminent return of Davis.

Is not much of the reason for Davis' fitness becoming such an issue because Roos wants him to play the HFF role more in the fashion of McVeigh and O'Keefe - ie pushing up and down the ground to create as well as to score goals? Indeed, I would suggest that it is McVeigh who has really stepped into the role that Davis should be playing.

I do think there's room in the team for both Davis and McVeigh, however.

[caj23]

its getting tough now that richards has one decent game under his belt (and more brownie points with the coaches), dempster would be the unlucky one for mine

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by chammond

Davis has had 4 goalless games out of 12; Grundy has had 1 goalless game in 4.

Based on this argument we had better drop Ryan O'Keefe, he didn't kick a goal on the weekend.