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  • swantastic
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2006
    • 7275

    Re:Accuracy

    Has this contributed to our position on the ladder?
    Swans Goals Points
    283 264

    All other Clubs Goals Points
    kicked against us so far. 236 182

    As you can see our accuracy in front of goals has beed our down fall,with just 52% approx accuracy.
    Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

  • JudesaGun
    On the Rookie List
    • Sep 2003
    • 554

    #2
    I think this is the most overlooked aspect of our season to date. In so many games, our performance has looked ordinary merely because we have not kicked straight. Plus a few close ones, we shouls have won and we'd be absolutely fying at the moment - both on the ladder and in the eyes of the RWO faithful.
    Sanford Wheeler 4 President!

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    • DST
      The voice of reason!
      • Jan 2003
      • 2705

      #3
      Re: Re:Accuracy

      Originally posted by swantastic
      Has this contributed to our position on the ladder?
      Swans Goals Points
      283 264

      All other Clubs Goals Points
      kicked against us so far. 236 182

      As you can see our accuracy in front of goals has beed our down fall,with just 52% approx accuracy.
      Our inability to win a couple of close games that we won in 2005 has cost us that extra win we had in 2005.

      But all up, considering we have not played as well as last year we have done okay to at least be pushing for a top 4 spot come round 22.

      I also hold high hopes that we can turn it on when it matters in finals are well and win the close ones.

      DST
      "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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      • cruiser
        What the frack!
        • Jul 2004
        • 6114

        #4
        Originally posted by JudesaGun
        I think this is the most overlooked aspect of our season to date.
        I dunno about that. Its bene raised in threads here a number of times during the season. Its infuriated me in a number of games this year and I've raised the matter on RWO.
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        • tawfiq
          hard ball getter
          • Aug 2006
          • 103

          #5
          i must admit some shots are difficult, but when you see our 2nd best forward, "magic" miss a set shot from 15 m directly in front against port adelaide, it really does frustrate as a supporter, whilst it doesnt have an impact on those games, it has had an impact in 3 games, melbourne, st.kilda and west coast, if we had won all those (we lost them all by less than a goal and due to in accurate kicking, then we probably wouldve been 1st on the ladder, if not 1st, top 3 guaranteed

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #6
            It possibly cost us wins against Melbourne and Collingwood. With these two as wins, we'd have third wrapped up with a shot at first or second.
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • AnnieH
              RWOs Black Sheep
              • Aug 2006
              • 11332

              #7
              17 behinds is 102 potential percentage boosting points, and in a competition where you have six teams separated only by a few percentage points, percentage is a major factor. Why is it ignored?
              Accuracy must be improved before we hit the finals.
              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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              • garethb83
                On the Rookie List
                • Sep 2005
                • 238

                #8
                Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                17 behinds is 102 potential percentage boosting points, and in a competition where you have six teams separated only by a few percentage points, percentage is a major factor. Why is it ignored?
                Accuracy must be improved before we hit the finals.
                I agree accuracy has been a problem, but isn't it wins and losses that are now the deciding factor, our % is superior to all the other teams around us?

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                • ScottH
                  It's Goodes to cheer!!
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 23665

                  #9
                  It is an issue, however, you still only need to kick more behinds than your opponent.


                  Our accuracy comparison to opponent.
                  Code:
                                   SS     Opp     Diff   Result
                  Essendon	57.1	73.9	-16.8	L
                  PortAdelaide	44.0	 48.4	-4.4	L
                  Carlton	        57.1	57.9	-0.8	W
                  Melbourne	48.1	 68.2	-20.0	L
                  Geelong	        46.9	65.0	-18.1	W
                  Brisbane	55.6	50.0	 5.6	W
                  Richmond	70.0	52.9	 17.1	W
                  Bulldogs	54.8	70.0	-15.2	W
                  Hawthorn	79.2	36.8	 42.3	W
                  Kangaroos	64.0	 50.0	14.0	W
                  St Kilda	46.7	41.2	 5.5	L
                  Collingwood	40.7	 56.0	-15.3	L
                  Fremantle	38.7	69.2	-30.5	W
                  Adelaide	36.4	57.7	-21.3	L
                  West Coast	45.0	 40.9	4.1	L
                  Richmond	45.2	38.9	 6.3	W
                  Port Adelaide	37.0	 46.7	-9.6	W
                  Essendon	54.8	61.1	-6.3	W
                  Melbourne	56.0	 76.9	-20.9	W
                  Geelong	        50.0	70.0	-20.0	L
                  Brisbane	51.9	60.0	-8.1	W

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                  • AnnieH
                    RWOs Black Sheep
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 11332

                    #10
                    Originally posted by garethb83
                    I agree accuracy has been a problem, but isn't it wins and losses that are now the deciding factor, our % is superior to all the other teams around us?
                    I agree that % isn't so much an issue at this late stage of the game (cause ours is pretty healthy this year compared to last and compared to the rest of the competition), and wins & losses will be our deciding factor, what I think I'm trying to say is that the boys HAVE to start kicking true.

                    I adore the ground Micky O walks on ... but to miss from 15m straight in front is heartbreaking (I'm sure for him, as well as the rest of us).

                    Johnny Longmire ... are you listening?
                    A bit of extra goal kicking training for the lot of them wouldn't go astray.
                    Last edited by AnnieH; 30 August 2006, 12:04 PM.
                    Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
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                    • SwallowdaFonz
                      Pushing for Selection
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 79

                      #11
                      Funny, isn't it, how our perception of how well the Swans played can come down to goal-kicking?

                      Kick 15.8 and we win the game - Swans playing great. Kick 8.15 and we lose - Swans playing poorly. It would take a cool head to judge the team's performance separate from it's accuracy in front of goal (acknowledging that this accuracy is of course itself a key element of the team's performance).

                      I reckon the Swans rarely dominate games with possession and great ball movement. This makes our goal-kicking accuracy even more important to percpeption of performance. Yet it often comes down to inches either side of the goal post.

                      Well, OK, maybe its more like many feet the wrong side of the goal post . . .

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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SwallowdaFonz
                        Funny, isn't it, how our perception of how well the Swans played can come down to goal-kicking?

                        Kick 15.8 and we win the game - Swans playing great. Kick 8.15 and we lose - Swans playing poorly. It would take a cool head to judge the team's performance separate from it's accuracy in front of goal (acknowledging that this accuracy is of course itself a key element of the team's performance).

                        I reckon the Swans rarely dominate games with possession and great ball movement. This makes our goal-kicking accuracy even more important to percpeption of performance. Yet it often comes down to inches either side of the goal post.

                        Well, OK, maybe its more like many feet the wrong side of the goal post . . .

                        .... and sometimes smack ON the goalpost.
                        Good point.
                        A score of 98 is a "good" score (IMO) ... a score of 63 is ok, depending on if it was a low scoring game and the winners won by a goal, or 63 would suck if the winners beat us by 100.
                        Goals win games ... or a behind when you're Tony Lockett.
                        Last edited by AnnieH; 30 August 2006, 02:30 PM.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                        • Mike_B
                          Peyow Peyow
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 6267

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                          17 behinds is 102 potential percentage boosting points, and in a competition where you have six teams separated only by a few percentage points, percentage is a major factor. Why is it ignored?
                          Accuracy must be improved before we hit the finals.
                          It's actually only 85 points - you score 17 points from 17 behinds, but 17 goals would be 102 points. So the net loss is 102-17 = 85.

                          At this stage of the season, the 5 or so percentage points we have over St Kilda and Collingwood would not be bridged unless there was in excess or a 200pt turnaround. So in this case, the lack of accuracy isn't the issue when it comes to percentage, but more in terms of perhaps costing us a win in close games.

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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                            17 behinds is 102 potential percentage boosting points, and in a competition where you have six teams separated only by a few percentage points, percentage is a major factor. Why is it ignored?
                            Accuracy must be improved before we hit the finals.
                            SORRY ... MY BRAIN THINKS FASTER THAN MY FINGERS CAN TYPE.

                            I meant to say 17 GOALS is 102 potential percentage boosting points.
                            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                              A score of 98 is a "good" score (IMO) ... a score of 63 is ok, depending on if it was a low scoring game and the winners won by a goal, or 63 would suck if the winners beat us by 100.
                              Goals win games ... or a behind when you're Tony Lockett.
                              Goals do win games. I think 15.8 is an "okay" score (although not too bad as an average).

                              A score of '63' (whatever the goal/behind mix) is crap.

                              I also look at number of scoring shots. At an absolute minimum I expect 25 while good teams managed 26-28 regularly.

                              On that basis, you should average above 100 points.

                              As I mentioned a little while ago, 13 goals is our cut-off point (lower than the 100 point mark I mention above because we play such boring stoppage-ridden footy). We nearly always win when we kick 13 goals or more. And we often lose (can't recall the ratio - maybe half?) when we kick less.
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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