A club of amazing character!

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
a couple of times this season we have been beaten when Roos has been clearly beaten in matchups and tactics and failed to make a move

For example, round 1, quarter 1.

I was glad the rain held off in Perth on the weekend (until just after the game where I am), because I don't believe we have a plan B for the rain.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by giant
A great win for the Bloods and those who have bagged the culture should be feeling very humble indeed.

Why? No one is above criticism where you think it is due, are they?

I was critical of the handling of ND thing & still think it could've been done better*. I was also one of the supporters who helped to ensure the services of the first popularly elected (and current) coach. He's done a fantastic job but that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes.

Matt is right in that the spirit shown on Saturday was awe-inspiring. One of the most exciting things I've ever witnessed.

Is our team comparable with Brisbane of that era? Frankly, I don't give a @@@@.


P.S. * I'm also a bit over hearing about it - so my apologies for mentioning it.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by giant
Which is Tim Lane's point in this article....

http://www.smh.com.au/news/afl/remarkable-roos-the-main-man/2006/09/11/1157826876863.html

...Is that Sheeds doing the synchro swimming?

[Captain]

Originally posted by Agent 86
Why? No one is above criticism where you think it is due, are they?

I was critical of the handling of ND thing & still think it could've been done better*. I was also one of the supporters who helped to ensure the services of the first popularly elected (and current) coach. He's done a fantastic job but that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes.

Matt is right in that the spirit shown on Saturday was awe-inspiring. One of the most exciting things I've ever witnessed.

Is our team comparable with Brisbane of that era? Frankly, I don't give a @@@@.


P.S. * I'm also a bit over hearing about it - so my apologies for mentioning it.

Agree with everything you have said there.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Captain
Maybe if you got off the internet once in a while, stepped outside and hey even go to a game then you would share some of this excitement.

One reason I don't get to many games is that I have my own sporting commitments on week ends. Another is that I have a young family. I often work long hours. I live 400 km from the SCG so a trip to the footy sacrifices a week end, and I am not really in a position to sacrifice too many at a time. I said I was excited on Sat night, and I will happily agree that being at the game is more exciting than watching on the tele. However, I am not so selfish as to continually give up weekends to indulge my interests at the expense of the interests of my family.

None of what you say is relevant to the point I was making. Perhaps you should spend a little more time reading what people say and considering what it means rather than assuming that other's thoughts are as simplistic as your own and shooting your misguided mouth off.

[giant]

Originally posted by Agent 86
Why? No one is above criticism where you think it is due, are they?

Sure, just as you should acknowledge success when it jumps out & bites you in the bum.

To wit: the same culture that lead to Davis spending 6 weeks on the sideline was 100% responsible for this team getting over the line on Saturday. Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by giant
...Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.

At least not in a black & white world.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by Sanecow
For example, round 1, quarter 1.

I was glad the rain held off in Perth on the weekend (until just after the game where I am), because I don't believe we have a plan B for the rain.

The lack of a wet weather game plan for 3/4 cost us the game against StKilda in the pouring rain in Sydney.

[Agent 86]

Originally posted by goswannie14
The lack of a wet weather game plan for 3/4 cost us the game against StKilda in the pouring rain in Sydney.

Oh well... (& sorry to state the obvious...) but whose position would you rather be in right now? ;-)

There were also a few poor goal umpiring decisions that cost us that game.

[Matt79]

Originally posted by Dr Diabolical

As usual though, people have read what they want into the recent discussions on culture and Davis, without actually bothering to read what was actually written.

I think misinterpretations often occur on such forums just like an email where one cannot pick the emotion or sentiment behind the comment.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Matt79
I think misinterpretations often occur on such forums just like an email where one cannot pick the emotion or sentiment behind the comment.

It's even worse when people do not go to the trouble to choose their word carefully, or read closely what others have said. It is not the language that is at fault, but the laziness of many members of this forum. Unless of course one chooses to be ambiguous for their own entertainment.

[Legs Akimbo]

Originally posted by giant
A great win for the Bloods and those who have bagged the culture should be feeling very humble indeed.

Why? The 'bloods' culture has led to success but I don't like it. I loved the win as much as anyone else and I love the club, so proud etc, but I find the 'Bloods' brand concept distasteful.

I espouse personal freedom over collectivism. I think Nick Davis was head@@@@@@ because he was different. They want the player, but not the man. But don't expect any more four goal performances a la Geelong 2005 though - pinging for unlikely goals is not in the bloods ethos.

If you want an example of how the same basic principles can lead to the opposite outcome, check out St Kilda. Butters got rid of Thomas for a reason.

It is only good when it works, and even then it is not always good.

Now for the record, so I cannot be misquoted, I think Roos is a great coach. I think we are a great team, I think our 'bloods' culture is effective but I don't like it.

[giant]

Don't get me wrong - I never actually expected any of you to feel humble. It's just that if you took any pride at all in Saturday night's performance you should at least acknowledge the importance that the culture (and a little bit of luck) played in that.

If you believe in individualism over the team, then jolly bonza to you - but I personally don't think it's the best way to run a footy team, and nor does the very successful team that you support.

[Legs Akimbo]

Originally posted by giant
Don't get me wrong - I never actually expected any of you to feel humble. It's just that if you took any pride at all in Saturday night's performance you should at least acknowledge the importance that the culture (and a little bit of luck) played in that.

If you believe in individualism over the team, then jolly bonza to you - but I personally don't think it's the best way to run a footy team, and nor does the very successful team that you support.

Allow me to change my phraseology. I favour the allowance of each team member to find their own form of motivation. Everyone is different.

You know I really love salami. I can eat truck loads of the stuff, as long as I don't think too hard about what they put in it.

[swantastic]

Originally posted by giant
If you believe in individualism over the team, then jolly bonza to you - but I personally don't think it's the best way to run a footy team, and nor does the very successful team that you support.

Agree with you giant.it doesn't matter if some of us believe/dont believe in the "BLOODS"culture if the players do,good as long as we get over the line for a win.For all of you out there"I will always believe in the BLOODS culture"as it was drilled into me by my Great Grand Father and all the way down to my kids.I love SMFC(rest in peace).Go Sydney Swans.