Hawks and Demons Delistings

[Claret]

Some surprises there . . .
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[573v30]

Woah, the Hawks have less faith in their youngsters than I thought or maybe they will be really lucky in the "Super" draft and get another Hodge...

[Jeffers1984]

Would Thurgood be worth a shot at rookie listing? Showed a bit but would need to seriously put some weight on.

WE could have our own raggity anne at the bloods.

[liz]

If someone wanted to be a stirrer they'd go over to a Hawthorn (aka "We Have So Many First Round Picks That The 2009 Premiership Is In The Bag") board and point out that Brennan was a top 10 pick in his time.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Originally posted by Jeffers1984
Would Thurgood be worth a shot at rookie listing? Showed a bit but would need to seriously put some weight on.

WE could have our own raggity anne at the bloods.

No thanks, we'd need three Thurgood's to make one footballer.

[SimonH]

Originally posted by liz
If someone wanted to be a stirrer they'd go over to a Hawthorn (aka "We Have So Many First Round Picks That The 2009 Premiership Is In The Bag") board and point out that Brennan was a top 10 pick in his time.

One of the most concentrated runs of high draft picks in the short history of the modern draft was St Kilda, 2000-2002. (The modern draft only dates to circa 1997 for a range of reasons: we were unlucky enough to be crap when the 'science' of the draft involved pinning a lot of names of presumably able-bodied males aged 18-30 on a wall, blindfolding the drafting manager and getting him to throw darts.)

Their top 15 draft picks since 1998 have been:
Lenny Hayes (11, 1998), Caydn Beetham (9, 1999), Nick Riewoldt (1, 2000), Justin Koschitzke (2, 2000), Luke Ball (2, 2001), Xavier Clarke (5, 2001), Nick dal Santo (13, 2001), Brendan Goddard (1, 2002), Raphael Clarke (8, 2003). That's a mightily impressive list, with only one mis-step, which would be below the statistical average. Yet even when they're able to get most of this list on the park, St Kilda hasn't made the GF and (unless Ross can turn them around) don't intimidate opponents like they did in 2004 and part of 2005.

There could be no clearer indication of the principle that you cannot top-10-draft-pick your way to premiership glory. But let's not tell the Victorians, eh?

[Claret]

The demons one's are interesting too. Read was BOG in the VFL Grand Final and Smith had the chance to play in one game at the end of the year. The game just happened to be a final and he was up against the biggest and most in-form ruckman in the comp at the time. Needless to say he was given a rucking lesson.

[giant]

An interesting thread on BF (yeh, go figger....) pointed out that WCE are the first team to win a flag after receiving a priority pick - and the player they picked up courtesy of that pick (Sampi) didn't even make the GF 22.

Another reminder that "bottoming out" is a lot riskier path to premiership glory than one might suspect.

[liz]

Originally posted by giant
An interesting thread on BF (yeh, go figger....) pointed out that WCE are the first team to win a flag after receiving a priority pick - and the player they picked up courtesy of that pick (Sampi) didn't even make the GF 22.

Except that had they not qualified for a priority pick that year, their first pick would have been at 5, not 3, since two other teams qualified for priority picks. And then you'd have to think that Judd would be running around with Freo at the moment...

[hammo]

Hawthorn's conduct is appalling. I seriously hope they never go near winning a premiership which such a cynical approach to drafting. I feel sorry for their 'average' youngsters who don't seem to be given any chance to develop as players. I wonder whether a Buchanan, Kirk, Doyle or O'Keefe would survive on their list??

There seems to be a lack of respect for clubs like Port and Sydney in particular who never "bottomed out" on their way to winning a flag. Hawthorn's method is unproven and although the Saints went close, you sense they too will fall short.

The Hawks lost their chance at winning a flag when they drafted Hodge above Judd - Judd is already a legend of the game and Hodge unfortunately will never come close (despite himself being a good player).

[Industrial Fan]

Could Rohde be described as a genius down the track?

The bulldogs were woeful for those few years, and got priority picks along the way, but they still have a solid core of well performed veterans as well.

Hawthorn are different in that they have shown very little respect to their elder statesman who there is no doubt need to be around to point the ship in the right direction - there is no great future in having the playing list all the same age either - all reach their peak at the same time, and then the cap becomes a problem.

What about Melbourne? The yoyo effect I think has given them a fairly balanced team. Finals experience, and plenty of early picks too. Certainly on paper they have underperformed for the list they have.

Could give it a shake if pickett and davey stay fit at the end of the season.

[Industrial Fan]

Originally posted by Jeffers1984
Would Thurgood be worth a shot at rookie listing? Showed a bit but would need to seriously put some weight on.

WE could have our own raggity anne at the bloods.

A player best summed up by commetti:

"he looks like nicole kidman might, if she were the leadsinger for korn".

Gold.

[SimonH]

Continuing on the oh-so-predictable behaviour of Victorian clubs: Carlton delist a 24 year old (1st round draft pick in the year 2000), a 26 year old and a 27 year old and say "Carlton believes its Youth Policy is critical to building a successful team in the long-term."

Youth Policy even has capitals! It's like being in the Brezhnevite USSR.

Here's hoping that they're delisting their 2006 top 20 draft picks in 2012 when they hit their mid-twenties, because they're going with a "Youth Policy". We could do with a guaranteed 2 wins a year.

[Damien]

In Victoria, it's more exciting to rebuild than to win a Grand Final these days.

It's only the salary cap cheating, AFL loved interstate clubs winning the title these days. They are all above that...

[dread and might]

Originally posted by hammo
The Hawks lost their chance at winning a flag when they drafted Hodge above Judd - Judd is already a legend of the game and Hodge unfortunately will never come close (despite himself being a good player).

Please.....
Hodge is a walk up start in any team. I freaking hate Hawthorn and even through that it's clear. Probably the best kick to a target in the league. Absolute tool, but great player.