Why is it that we get labelled as "flooders"????

[Chow-Chicker]

Is it only me or does anone else think that Rodney eade is coaching the Bulldogs totally opposite to the way he coached us? He has them playing a free flowing attacking style and very much the opposite to the way we were.

[liz]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
Is it only me or does anone else think that Rodney eade is coaching the Bulldogs totally opposite to the way he coached us? He has them playing a free flowing attacking style and very much the opposite to the way we were.

Part of the answer is that a smart coach (and Eade is certainly smart) develops a game style to complement the squad he has. Eade inherited a squad of quick but slight runners and fewish tall options. He is making he most of what he has.

Will be interested to see if the Dogs continue to recruit to this style. That may depend on whether they improve, or whether they decide that exciting though their football is, it may not be quite the style to take them all the way through the finals. Will be interesting to see.

But the other thing with Eade and the Dogs is he is not yet scared of losing. The Swans in 1996 played a pretty attacking style of football - the flood was an offensive as well as defensive weapon. But in later years, when there was expectation of success, things got more defensive. He may well have developed his ideas and gained enough confidence not to become more defensive but we need to give it a couple more years to find out.

[Bloody Hell]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
Is it only me or does anone else think that Rodney eade is coaching the Bulldogs totally opposite to the way he coached us? He has them playing a free flowing attacking style and very much the opposite to the way we were.

I wouldn't say they're opposite.

Both styles rely on the "fast break" for scoring opportunities, though by the end all attacking confidence had been stripped from the Eade Swans.

I remember when Roos took over he spent the first few games just telling his players to run and pump it long, trying to break their defensive mindset.

In the case of Eade's current tactics it may be a case of the master becoming the student.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by liz
But the other thing with Eade and the Dogs is he is not yet scared of losing. The Swans in 1996 played a pretty attacking style of football - the flood was an offensive as well as defensive weapon. But in later years, when there was expectation of success, things got more defensive.

I'm not sure how much this is the case despite perception. We kicked more goals in 1998 than any other year under Eade's leadership and it was a year of high expectation. We also kicked more goals in 2000 than any other year except 1998.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Bloody Hell
I remember when Roos took over he spent the first few games just telling his players to run and pump it long, trying to break their defensive mindset.

In the case of Eade's current tactics it may be a case of the master becoming the student.

I find this perception amazing too when Eade's Swans kicked more goals in every season (but one), even their worst, than Roos' Swans have in the past three seasons.

Even Roos' best season (2003) is below 1998 and 2000.

Eade's team averaged 320 goals per season against Roos' 300; Eade's team is 7% higher.

The difference is also noticeable when comparing scoring shots. Eade's team averaged 584 scoring shots, 8% higher than Roos' team with 541.

Seems pretty clear that Eade's team was more attacking.

Goals for H&A.

Eade:
1996 - 317
1997 - 300
1998 - 342
1999 - 318
2000 - 333
2001 - 307

Roos
2003 - 320
2004 - 287
2005 - 287
2006 - 304

Scoring shots for H&A.

Eade:
1996 - 567
1997 - 593
1998 - 573
1999 - 594
2000 - 589
2001 - 588

Roos
2003 - 542
2004 - 503
2005 - 539
2006 - 578

[Brandon]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I find this perception amazing too when Eade's Swans kicked more goals in every season, even their worst, than Roos' Swans have in the past three seasons.

Even Roos' best season (2003) is below 1998 and 2000.

On the flipside, scoring as a whole has been on a downward trend in the last 5 years or so. Teams just aren't scoring as much due to increased focus on defense for the entire competition - which means it is kind of unfair to compare Roos' Swans to Eade's Swans.

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I find this perception amazing too when Eade's Swans kicked more goals in every season (but one), even their worst, than Roos' Swans have in the past three seasons.

Even Roos' best season (2003) is below 1998 and 2000.

Eade's team averaged 320 goals per season against Roos' 300; Eade's team is 7% higher.

The difference is also noticeable when comparing scoring shots. Eade's team averaged 584 scoring shots, 8% higher than Roos' team with 541.

Seems pretty clear that Eade's team was more attacking.

Goals for H&A.

Eade:
1996 - 317
1997 - 300
1998 - 342
1999 - 318
2000 - 333
2001 - 307

Roos
2003 - 320
2004 - 287
2005 - 287
2006 - 304

Scoring shots for H&A.

Eade:
1996 - 567
1997 - 593
1998 - 573
1999 - 594
2000 - 589
2001 - 588

Roos
2003 - 542
2004 - 503
2005 - 539
2006 - 578

Umm, the discussion was about how Eade coached the Swans as compared to how he's coaching the Bulldogs now, not how Eade coached the Swans as compared to Roos of the Swans today.

[Bloody Hell]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I find this perception amazing too when Eade's Swans kicked more goals in every season (but one), even their worst, than Roos' Swans have in the past three seasons.

Even Roos' best season (2003) is below 1998 and 2000.

Eade's team averaged 320 goals per season against Roos' 300; Eade's team is 7% higher.

The difference is also noticeable when comparing scoring shots. Eade's team averaged 584 scoring shots, 8% higher than Roos' team with 541.

Seems pretty clear that Eade's team was more attacking.

The phrase 'attacking' (in the context used in this thread) refers to the defensive attitude of the team and as from defensive positions - the movement of the ball up the ground into the forward 50 (that's how I'm interpreting it anyway).

These stats reflects the mentality within the forward 50 (including the influence of T.Lockett). Eades forwards relyed more on contested marks - leads to pockets etc - where Roos have a more patient buildup. When was the last time a long bomb was put to the top of the swannies goal square?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Brandon
On the flipside, scoring as a whole has been on a downward trend in the last 5 years or so. Teams just aren't scoring as much due to increased focus on defense for the entire competition - which means it is kind of unfair to compare Roos' Swans to Eade's Swans.

Eade averages more goals and more scoring shots than Roos, as a proportion of total goals and total scoring shots in the whole competition.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
Umm, the discussion was about how Eade coached the Swans as compared to how he's coaching the Bulldogs now, not how Eade coached the Swans as compared to Roos of the Swans today.

Ummm... there were comments about Eade's defensive style and how it had increased relative to when he started and how it was more defensive than Roos. This is what I was responding to.

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Ummm... there were comments about Eade's defensive style and how it had increased relative to when he started and how it was more defensive than Roos. This is what I was responding to.

Do you think Eade's coaching style has changed from when he was with us to the was he's coaching the Bulldogs now?

[Brandon]

I thought that the fairest comparison would be to use the placing in terms of "points for" for the year to compare the two coaches. Using the AFL's historical archives, what I came up with were:

Eade:
1996 - 9th
1997 - 6th
1998 - 3rd
1999 - 6th
2000 - 8th
2001 - 11th

2002 was a transition year, so I left that out.

Roos:
2003 - 7th
2004 - 11th
2005 - 14th
2006 - 6th

There's some evidence to suggest that Eade was becoming less and less attacking in his later years, and there's some evidence that Roos is less attacking as a whole over his coaching career compared to Eade's coaching career - but certainly in 2003 and 2006, we can say he was more "attacking" than Eade in 2000-2001.

If someone really wants to know Eade was coming 13th when he resigned after Rd 12 of the 2002 season.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
Do you think Eade's coaching style has changed from when he was with us to the was he's coaching the Bulldogs now?

Yes. I think he has become better as I expected he would. He is playing a far more running game, but that's hardly surprising given his squad.

However, although he was the inventor of the flood, I think the defensive aspect of his game is overplayed and this is something I gather Eade finds frustrating from his interviews too.

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by Brandon
I thought that the fairest comparison would be to use the placing in terms of "points for" for the year to compare the two coaches. Using the AFL's historical archives, what I came up with were:

Eade:
1996 - 9th
1997 - 6th
1998 - 3rd
1999 - 6th
2000 - 8th
2001 - 11th

2002 was a transition year, so I left that out.

Roos:
2003 - 7th
2004 - 11th
2005 - 14th
2006 - 6th

There's some evidence to suggest that Eade was becoming less and less attacking in his later years, and there's some evidence that Roos is less attacking as a whole over his coaching career compared to Eade's coaching career - but certainly in 2003 and 2006, we can say he was more "attacking" than Eade in 2000-2001.

If someone really wants to know Eade was coming 13th when he resigned after Rd 12 of the 2002 season.

Yes it's funny how we were less "attacking" in 2000 and 2001 straight after Mr Lockett retired....

Wouldn't it be lovely if Roos could plonk a 100 goal a season icredible hulk in the goal square for a few seasons.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Brandon
There's some evidence to suggest that Eade was becoming less and less attacking in his later years, and there's some evidence that Roos is less attacking as a whole over his coaching career compared to Eade's coaching career - but certainly in 2003 and 2006, we can say he was more "attacking" than Eade in 2000-2001.

The Swans squad in the last couple of years under Eade was pretty ordinary so hardly surprising they couldn't kick too many goals.

By the time the team had been reconfigured Eade had lost them.