The Quarter That Changed the Course of History

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  • Norris Lurker
    Almost Football Legend
    • Jan 2003
    • 2977

    The Quarter That Changed the Course of History

    Sunday 23rd July 1995, Round 16.
    The AFL had been in Brisbane and Sydney for many years, for little success. The teams from the northern states had got the last 5 wooden spoons and were struggling towards the bottom of the table again; and many were wondering whether the game could ever succeed in the northern states. Again in this round, just 8,209 ventured out to the Gabba on a warm day as Hawthorn jumped Brisbane early with 6 unanswered goals in the first term and led by 45 points at the last change.
    It was hot, and Hawthorn moved their 3/4 time huddle into the shade of the grandstand to cool down. It may have been a natural instinct, but Brisbane coach Robert Walls saw the signs the Hawks were tiring and revved his players up for a special effort in the last quarter.
    The effort worked miracles. Brisbane raced out of the blocks in the last term, kicking 9 goals to 1 to turn a 45-point deficit into a 7-point win. It was a stirring comeback, and one that was to change the momentum of the season. Despite the win, Brisbane were still in 14th place, but they were to lose only one more home & away game for the season and sneak into the top 8 for the first time in the last round. The Hawks, who had been pushing for their 14th consecutive finals appearance, would not win again for the season. In the years to come, Brisbane would rise to prominence and take out 3 premierships; while fellow northern state team Sydney would join the September action next year and take part in another 3 grand finals - with these teams putting Australian football into a greater position of popularity in their home states. In contrast, Hawthorn have struggled to be a force since that time and their golden era was over.

    Had the Hawks been able to hang on that day, would the course of football history have changed? I guess we'll never know, but it's interesting to think about.

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  • AnnieH
    RWOs Black Sheep
    • Aug 2006
    • 11332

    #2
    Re: The Quarter That Changed the Course of History

    Originally posted by Norris Lurker
    Sunday 23rd July 1995, Round 16.
    snip ... Had the Hawks been able to hang on that day, would the course of football history have changed? I guess we'll never know, but it's interesting to think about.
    Hey Norris .... go out and do some lurking!!
    Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
    Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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    • humphrey bear
      Buddy
      • Aug 2005
      • 291

      #3
      The answer to that question is no.

      Brisbane won 3 premierships in a row because the AFL gave them to them by stopping the Kangaroos merger with Fitzroy.

      As a result of the Fitzroy takeover Brisbane ended up with Brown, Black, Johnson, Micheal, Brad Scott , Aaron Shattock & Richard Hadley.

      Put the first 5 of those players into any finals team and all of a sudden they become premiers as well.
      Last edited by humphrey bear; 31 October 2006, 03:28 PM.

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      • goswannie14
        Leadership Group
        • Sep 2005
        • 11166

        #4
        I think I agree with the speechless bear.
        Does God believe in Atheists?

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        • j s
          Think positive!
          • Jan 2003
          • 3303

          #5
          Re: Re: The Quarter That Changed the Course of History

          Originally posted by Annie Haddad
          Hey Norris .... go out and do some lurking!!
          He doesn't need any encouragement to do that!!

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          • Bleed Red Blood
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2003
            • 2057

            #6
            Re: Re: The Quarter That Changed the Course of History

            Originally posted by Annie Haddad
            Hey Norris .... go out and do some lurking!!
            this is why sanecow should be brought back. your just not funny annie.

            Originally posted by Norris Lurker
            Sydney would join the September action next year and take part in another 3 grand finals
            3? woooo.

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            • 573v30
              On the bandwagon...
              • Sep 2005
              • 5017

              #7
              I hope this 3rd grand final occurs in 2007...

              EDIT: I interpreted it as 3 GF's after that September action (1996 GF).
              Last edited by 573v30; 1 November 2006, 01:18 PM.
              I only support one team: The SYDNEY SWANS!!!!! :adore

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              • Steiger
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2006
                • 181

                #8
                2006 was the third GF.

                The first was 1996 (Against North Melbourne and the Swans got done), the second is 2005...
                Last edited by Steiger; 1 November 2006, 12:38 PM.

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                • Claret
                  Support Staff
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 1104

                  #9
                  Steiger, I think the point they are making is that if you take the wording of the passage literally then it suggests 4 GF's including 1996.
                  And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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                  • giant
                    Veterans List
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 4731

                    #10
                    Originally posted by humphrey bear
                    As a result of the Fitzroy takeover Brisbane ended up with Brown, Black, Johnson, Micheal, Brad Scott , Aaron Shattock & Richard Hadley.
                    How so?

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                    • 573v30
                      On the bandwagon...
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 5017

                      #11
                      Can't forget their 1998 season, dead last.
                      I only support one team: The SYDNEY SWANS!!!!! :adore

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                      • humphrey bear
                        Buddy
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 291

                        #12
                        Originally posted by giant
                        How so?
                        Under the merger they got given 8 players.

                        Chris Johnson
                        Jarrod Molloy
                        John Barker
                        Shane Clayton
                        Brad Boyd
                        Simon Hawking
                        Scott Bamford
                        Nick Carter.

                        Hawking was traded for pick 31 in 1997 draft. They picked Simon Black.

                        John Barker weas sent to Hawthorn in the trade that got Brad Scott.

                        Nick Carter was traded in for pick 45 in 1998. They pick Aaron Shattock.

                        Jarrod Molloy went to Collingwood for Mal Micheal and pick 44 in 2000. With that selection they picked Richard Hadley.

                        They got Jonathon Brown through father/son as a result of the games his dad played for Fitzroy.

                        Without those players they wouldnt have won any premierships.

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #13
                          Originally posted by humphrey bear
                          Hawking was traded for pick 31 in 1997 draft. They picked Simon Black.

                          Nick Carter was traded in for pick 45 in 1998. They pick Aaron Shattock.

                          Jarrod Molloy went to Collingwood for Mal Micheal and pick 44 in 2000. With that selection they picked Richard Hadley.
                          These are all low picks, so hardly count as benefits from the merger.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • SimonH
                            Salt future's rising
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1647

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            These are all low picks, so hardly count as benefits from the merger.
                            Yep, some real retrospective history writing there. If pick 278 that was used to select James Hird all those years ago had been traded into Essendon in exchange for some donkey, it'd be a bloody stretch to say 'the donkey won the 2000 premiership for the Dons'.

                            No denying that to pick the eyes out of a folding club's list and take their best 8 players (on top of your own) is a huge advantage, but talk of being gifted a premiership (or 3) without having to earn it through training, teamwork, discipline, good management, canny drafting etc, is just nonsense. Nonsense usually sprouted by jealous Victorians.

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                            • humphrey bear
                              Buddy
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 291

                              #15
                              They might be low picks but if it wasnt for the merger they wouldnt have had them.

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