New Rule Interpretations and Bazza

[floppinab]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Roos' point is my main problem with the new rule:

I reckon Roosy got the selective memory happening a bit. I think it was the late 80's early 90's when use of the hands was being more and more allowed in contests. Prior to that you had to use your body, no forearms or hands on your opponent.

Of course once the hands were progressively allowed we got more and more of the jumper grabbing which is more difficult to police. Take the hands out of the picture and there'll be no more jumper grabbing either.

[floppinab]

Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
As Roos was quoted as saying in the Tele, players such as Micky, Hall and Leo will be effected because of their tendency to use their bodies in most contests. Yes, last time i checked my hands and arms were still a part of my body!

That's the thing though, if they just use their bodies and not their hands/forearms, there'll be no problem.

[Chow-Chicker]

I'll give you a scenario and explain what will happen. Two players, a forward who is in front of a defender, start "pedalling" backwards with the flight of the ball. The forward, who is backing INTO the defender will receive a free kick if the defender puts his hands out to prevent the forawrd backing into him. That, to me, is bull-@@@@. The hand doesn't actually "push" the forward but only prevents him from colliding with him. The rule will be shown to be a total croc when it will be applied next season.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
I'll give you a scenario and explain what will happen. Two players, a forward who is in front of a defender, start "pedalling" backwards with the flight of the ball. The forward, who is backing INTO the defender will receive a free kick if the defender puts his hands out to prevent the forawrd backing into him. That, to me, is bull-@@@@. The hand doesn't actually "push" the forward but only prevents him from colliding with him. The rule will be shown to be a total croc when it will be applied next season.

yep, getting front position will be more important.

[liz]

Originally posted by timthefish
yep, getting front position will be more important.

So contested marking skills will take second place to jostling for position skills? Whoever wins front position in any contest will effectively be awarded the ball regardless of his ability to actually catch the thing?

[AnnieH]

Originally posted by liz
So contested marking skills will take second place to jostling for position skills? Whoever wins front position in any contest will effectively be awarded the ball regardless of his ability to actually catch the thing?

Scary, isn't it.
I wish to heaven they'd just leave the game alone.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by liz
So contested marking skills will take second place to jostling for position skills? Whoever wins front position in any contest will effectively be awarded the ball regardless of his ability to actually catch the thing?

That's actually a good outcome for Hall who can get front position but can't catch!

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by timthefish
yep, getting front position will be more important.

That's actually funny! Yes I can see two opponents leap frogging each other untril one has front position (will it ever end). They may start at the southern goals, but by the time they've finished jostling for position, they're at the northern end. You will have supporters screaming at the top of their lungs to their player who has infringed "GET IN FRONT!" Umm, someone, somewhere, has to be behind at some stage!

[liz]

I am also curious about the biomechanics involved. Where is a player meant to have his hands while the ball is in flight? He can't hold them down by his sides - no way he'll mark the ball that way. And holding them raised above his head is unlikely to be effective (and will make him look silly).

It is surely natural for a player to have his hands raised, palms facing forwards, between chest and chin height. Prime target for someone to edge back into him and claim a free for "hands on the back".

[liz]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
That's actually a good outcome for Hall who can get front position but can't catch!

Not sure I agree with that. Sometimes he plays in front but he commonly plays from behind. He is one of the prime propenents of edging his opponent in front under the ball. I suspect it is some of Hall's borderline "pushes" that have prompted this rule revision but surely all they need to do is clarify what constitutes a push in the back, and tighten up on this if needs be.

Completely outlawing a player touching another with his hands in a marking contest seems a stoopid way of achieving the outcome.

[swantastic]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
That's actually a good outcome for Hall who can get front position but can't catch!

He cant mark either.

[nat]

Originally posted by swantastic
He cant mark either.

You mean kick?

[timthefish]

Originally posted by liz
So contested marking skills will take second place to jostling for position skills? Whoever wins front position in any contest will effectively be awarded the ball regardless of his ability to actually catch the thing?

i would suggest that jostling for position has always been a large part of contested marking skills. i think it's overstating things to suggest that getting in front will determine the outcome irrespective of hand-skills and body-strength.

[timthefish]

Originally posted by liz
Completely outlawing a player touching another with his hands in a marking contest seems a stoopid way of achieving the outcome.

yes, and thank goodness they've only limited it to hands in the back.

if players aren't putting their hands in the back to push (either the opponent away or themselves "off" the opponent - it's the same according to physics btw) then what are they putting them there for?

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by timthefish
if players aren't putting their hands in the back to push (either the opponent away or themselves "off" the opponent - it's the same according to physics btw) then what are they putting them there for?

Because it's natural if someone is pushing back into you, then you will hold them off with your arms or hands. That's not pushing in the back, yet it will now be penalised.