There's no "I" in team...

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • ROK Lobster
    RWO Life Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 8658

    There's no "I" in team...

    ...but there is in "Leo"?

    Spirit of the bloods?
  • swantastic
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2006
    • 7275

    #2
    Re: There's no "I" in team...

    Originally posted by ROK Lobster
    ...but there is in "Leo"?

    Spirit of the bloods?
    Good one Leo,get evey cent you can out of them as they have taken a lot dollers from me.
    Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

    Comment

    • swans song
      On the Rookie List
      • Jul 2006
      • 223

      #3
      Theres 2 L's in $
      cheers

      Comment

      • dimelb
        pr. dim-melb; m not f
        • Jun 2003
        • 6889

        #4
        Good luck to him. The other side of the coin (so to speak) is the case of Stan Laurel, who discovered he didn't have any rights to the image of his own face. Mind you, it's getting hard to tell the difference between AFL and Hollywood...
        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

        Comment

        • reigning premier
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Sep 2006
          • 4335

          #5
          Go get 'em Leapin'.....

          That mark was worth a lot more than a million dollars to me!!

          Comment

          • woo
            double vodka lemon pls
            • Sep 2005
            • 961

            #6
            the joy that mark gave me (and all you lot), I reckon he should have rights to the picture..

            good luck to him
            you know what they say, dirty pants- clean botty

            Comment

            • goswannie14
              Leadership Group
              • Sep 2005
              • 11166

              #7
              Interesting how everyone else except the AFL has to play by their rules.
              Does God believe in Atheists?

              Comment

              • SimonH
                Salt future's rising
                • Aug 2004
                • 1647

                #8
                As a close reading of the article makes clear, this is not:
                • a test case
                • a case arguing that Leo is entitled to special protections not afforded to anyone else, or
                • a case that sportspeople 'own' the rights to photographs taken of them in action.
                It's a breach of contract case, with a little section 52 Trade Practices Act (misleading or deceptive conduct) thrown in. The latter is necessary because Barry doesn't have a contract with Tabcorp.

                There is a collective bargaining agreement. It is a contract between all players and the AFL. It requires certain permissions to be obtained and money to be paid when an AFL player's image is used for certain commercial purposes. It is alleged (and seems to be the case) that in the case of this image as it was used for an advertising purpose, that wasn't done. Nothing at all to do with whether newspapers, magazines, and kids sticking posters up on their wall, need to pay a tithe to the footy players depicted in those photos. They don't.

                The fact that betting is (in some people's minds) closely associated with footy, is neither here nor there. Tabcorp produced an advertisement with the intention of increasing their revenue and profit, like any other business. The issue would be the same if the ad was for crumpets, springboards, or the WA Tourist Commission. ('Leaping Leo says, Jump over to Perth!')

                Is Leo putting himself before the team by taking this action? In the mind of a dodgy employer, he sure is. Anyone who doesn't let themselves get walked over by an employer who doesn't keep their end of the bargain, and actually demands their rights, will get accused of not being a 'team player'.

                Comment

                • The Boot
                  A Blood to the bootstraps
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 544

                  #9
                  They're actually making the new "no-hands-in-the-back-pocket" rule retrospective. Clearly there is evidence that this has been severely breached.
                  Good men do good deeds. Evil men do evil deeds. But it takes religion for a good man to do evil deeds.

                  Comment

                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16778

                    #10

                    One of Paul's first addresses to the players after he became head coach was to acknowledge them as individuals: 'You know that old football adage about how when you come to a club we will treat everyone equally?' he said, 'Well, that won't be the case here because you are all different'.

                    On other occasions he's been quoted in the press as having said that 'football now is about coaching individuals in a team environment', though I'm not sure it's widely recognised just how different that approach is to the NO-'I'-IN-'TEAM' coaching philosophies of the past.
                    Ray McLean; 'Any Given Team'; 2006; page 204

                    Even though the stuff in this book specifically about the Swans is short - just a few pages - it's a very interesting read, and through Ray's tales of the various organisations he's worked with and their varied approaches to adopting his philosophies, it's possible to get a much better sense of what the "Bloods' culture" is really all about. than you'll ever get from odd references in fluffy newspaper articles.

                    Comment

                    • reigning premier
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 4335

                      #11
                      I think it's pretty straightforward case here...

                      For mind, you only need to ask two questions:

                      1. If you were to ask the general public/fans/supporters/players/etc what the picture is of???, they would undoubtedley respond with - Leo Barry Taking a screamer to save the 2005 grand final. Therefore, he is the subject of the picture.
                      2. Has the AFL OR Tabcorp made any money from the picture???

                      Having established it's a picture of Leaping Leo Barry, and that someone's making money off it, why shouldn't Leo get a piece of the pie???

                      Comment

                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        #12
                        Originally posted by reigning premier
                        I think it's pretty straightforward case here...

                        For mind, you only need to ask two questions:

                        1. If you were to ask the general public/fans/supporters/players/etc what the picture is of???, they would undoubtedley respond with - Leo Barry Taking a screamer to save the 2005 grand final. Therefore, he is the subject of the picture.
                        2. Has the AFL OR Tabcorp made any money from the picture???

                        Having established it's a picture of Leaping Leo Barry, and that someone's making money off it, why shouldn't Leo get a piece of the pie???
                        Particularly if that is part of the collective bargaining agreement that the AFL has agreed to.
                        Does God believe in Atheists?

                        Comment

                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #13
                          The more I hear about this 'Bloods' culture and its team orientation and focus on individuals as they are different and blah blah blah, the more made-up it sounds.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

                          Comment

                          • DeadlyAkkuret
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 4547

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            The more I hear about this 'Bloods' culture and its team orientation and focus on individuals as they are different and blah blah blah, the more made-up it sounds.
                            And you call yourself a supporter

                            Comment

                            • swantastic
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 7275

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NMWBloods
                              The more I hear about this 'Bloods' culture and its team orientation and focus on individuals as they are different and blah blah blah, the more made-up it sounds.
                              Turncoat.
                              Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

                              Comment

                              Working...