Scrap interchange: Lethal

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  • Chow-Chicker
    Senior Player
    • Jun 2006
    • 1602

    #16
    This is a nonsense argument. Back in those days you had playing lists of 60. The competition was ruled by affluent clubs who attracted the star players and the poorer clubs wallowed at the bottom of the ladder. How was the quality of their football? Melbourne being beaten by 190 points, St.Kilda copping a walloping every second week, where teams would predictably say "here comes a percentage boost". Now most teams are equally distributed with quality skilled players through the Draft system and salary cap.

    The way I remember it no-one kicked across goal, rarely handpassed in the back line, the footy was a bit more stagnant. Grounds were quagmires. Just about every match was on the Saturday - now it's spread over 3 - 4 days and less recovery time for some teams. Players played in position.

    While the quality of the best players in the 70's and 80's may equal the best of today, I reckon the worst of the 70's & 80's is a far wider gap than those of today.

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #17
      Having 4 interchange players doesn't correct those problems.
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • Chow-Chicker
        Senior Player
        • Jun 2006
        • 1602

        #18
        Having NO interchange would make it worse.

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #19
          Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
          Having NO interchange would make it worse.
          Which bits will it make worse?
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • Chow-Chicker
            Senior Player
            • Jun 2006
            • 1602

            #20
            Originally posted by NMWBloods
            Which bits will it make worse?
            The general quality of football due to fatigue.

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #21
              As I said, quality of football in the 1970s and 1980s was good. Running around a lot doesn't necessarily make for better quality football.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • Chow-Chicker
                Senior Player
                • Jun 2006
                • 1602

                #22
                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                As I said, quality of football in the 1970s and 1980s was good. Running around a lot doesn't necessarily make for better quality football.
                There was an interchange bench in the 70's and 80's. There is an interchange bench now. Now remove the ability to replace injured players, tired players, out of form players - how will the quality look?

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                • NMWBloods
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
                  There was an interchange bench in the 70's and 80's. There is an interchange bench now. Now remove the ability to replace injured players, tired players, out of form players - how will the quality look?
                  No one said that there would be no bench - just no interchange bench. In the 1970s there was a bench that could allow substitutions. In the 1980s there were just two on the interchange bench.

                  Matthews has suggested two ideas - more interchange (6) and a substitution bench.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • Bloody Hell
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3085

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
                    The general quality of football due to fatigue.
                    Opening the game up more in the final quarter -
                    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                    • NMWBloods
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                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #25
                      Less interchange may stop the rolling scrum of 30 players chasing the ball around the park.
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • Chow-Chicker
                        Senior Player
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 1602

                        #26
                        I doubt it. It would encourage more of a scrap. The more tired players get, the more stoppages they want. The game is far better today because of the current system in place.

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #27
                          If players are tired, then they can't chase the ball to all parts of the ground, hence instead of 30 players chasing the ball you may get half that number and more players remaining in position. The game never used to be riddled with stoppages.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • hammo
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 5554

                            #28
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            If players are tired, then they can't chase the ball to all parts of the ground, hence instead of 30 players chasing the ball you may get half that number and more players remaining in position. The game never used to be riddled with stoppages.
                            Scores in the 1980s used to regularly top 150. SCG games averaged 130 points per side (I have no stat to back that up but Sydney did kick 200 3 weeks in a row once as I recall).

                            Lethal's suggestion would model the interchange system for soccer and rugby union.

                            It would result in the game's elite midfielders resting in the forward line rather than on the bench. I doubt there would be much of an impact on overall game quality to be honest.
                            "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #29
                              David Parkin said on the weekend that the AFL nearly introduced a limit on the number of interchanges allowed this year and probably would do so next year (suggesting a max of 30 per game).
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                              • Chow-Chicker
                                Senior Player
                                • Jun 2006
                                • 1602

                                #30
                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                If players are tired, then they can't chase the ball to all parts of the ground, hence instead of 30 players chasing the ball you may get half that number and more players remaining in position. The game never used to be riddled with stoppages.
                                That has more to do with the tactics employed on the field rather than the use of the interchange. Notorious flooding, boring defensive tactics usually attributed to Terry Wallace would be applied regardless of the interchange status. That's the way he coaches. Watching the Freo v essendon game was a delight. Free flowing, entertaining football. Stuff all stoppages there.

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