Rd 6 vs. Roos: Game Thread

[DeadlyAkkuret]

If we're that stretched for height, Vogels should have played ahead of Moore.

Tonight I'd have stuck with Richards on Edwards to allow Bolton to go to Grant.

I was scratching my head at the decision to leave Vogels out tonight. He has his critics, and probably hasn't settled into AFL standard yet, but he's a strong mark and a pretty handy defender. With no Kennelly, LRT or Dempster, we were lost down back.

[liz]

According to the AFL site, the best Sydney Swans were: Fosdike, Barry, Kirk,Jack, Hall, Goodes.

Hmmm... not sure I'd agree with them.

Fosdike got a lot of the ball but his disposals rarely do much damage.

Barry was very good - put some pressure on early when no-one else seemed willing, and maybe we'll get an entry into the mark of the round nominations this week?

Kirk - OK, maybe in the best list but only just.

Jack - decent debut but hardly in best group overall

Hall - actually did almost as much as could have been expected of him given the way the game unfolded. Kept his temper - just - and was stiff with some of the early umpiring.

Goodes - probably his best game of the season but still nowhere near the Goodes we know and love.

I wonder how they missed Ablett and Everitt? And I'd probably stick ROK and Mathews in there somewhere too.

[Nico]

I haven't looked at this thread yet, I am just home from the game and am nothing but filthy on a number of aspects of the game tonight.

It's probably been flogged all ready but how bad was the inconsistency in umpiring or just downright missing obvious frees to us. I reckon at least 4 times Goodes had the run of ball, not in possession, and was clearly held back. North did an amazing amount of holding off the ball and I mean 20 metres off the ball, and the non officiating umpire was most times 5-10 metres off the situation with a clear vision, and watching and simply ignored it. The hands in the back rule copped a fair hiding on SEN after the game, and from what I see it is just stuffing any chance of the leap on the back specky and is indeed allowing a backman to push back to the point where they clearly interfere, so the forward can only put their hands out to stop them. If they came front on they would be pinged.

Now I will get to my view of us on the night.

I am darn furious at a number of things that went on tonight.

Jude Bolton - what on earth is this imposter doing getting a game. He was utterly towelled up by Rawlings. He was being tagged yes, but Rawlings just kept on running off him to the tune of 20 metres. He is super slow and frankly the game has passed him by. I have had a gutful of ewatching his unaccountable shabby football.

Did someone say Goodes played a good game? Garbage. He was a "big girls blouse tonight" and looked timid and genuinely frightened of body contact. A number of times he had a chance to take possession and he just had "trouble" following it into dangerous territory.

Richards - slow and horrible. Failed to read the ball coming into defence and absolutely refused to play in front or back himself in any way.

Why is Crouch getting a game. How dare he get a game with no pre season match practice when the rest of the squad has to play x amount of game time, just because he is Jared Crouch. Disgusting favouritism at the expense of the team/club. He was so far off his man all night and the only thing he did was fluke a mark that resulted in a goal. Not worth a pinch of billy goats droppings. I dont subscribe with the old "he'll come good line. He is rising 30.

Ablett - cant share thoughts of others that he was in our best. For mine did next to nothing and should never have been out there. This is the second time this year he has played injured. Drifted in for a goal or 2 but we needed him in the midfield and frankly he had trouble getting out of his own way.

MCveigh I mentioned in his own thread. He is simply of no value to the team. Slow, poor skills and is a bloody statue when has the pill in his hands. A waste of space on the team list is his only attribute at the moment. Heaven help us if he is the future of our club.

Jack - well he is hard at it and got his hands on the footy a few times but it was the wrong move to promote him and ask him to pick up Harvey. Stupid, stupid, stupid. He is not ready for the big time and boy is he small. We got killed for height tonight. When will the light go at headquarters regarding height. Should have promoted someone like Rowe. Not bagging on his first game, but wrong move.

Positives

Jolly played a mighty last Q but why doesn't he knock it long all the time.
Barry, Bolton and Malceski (super last Q by Mal) tried hard under enormous pressure but where were our midfielders pushing back to help out. All too slow. Ablett got a fair bit of ball from short kickouts but did nothing to create.
Thought Schneider worked hard and was totally knackered at the end.
Thank goodness for MOL.

Coaching

I dont knock Roosey much but I thought tonight he got a fair bit wrong and he wasn't helped by the match committee.

Schmidt was playing well in the first half yet was banished in the 2nd half in favour of dare I say it JB.
JB was in the pocket in the last Q and was useless, why wouldn't Moore be there. At least he has some nous and disposal skills. I bet I can guess who will get dropped next week.
We had no run off half back and for a fleeting moment I thought he had put Goodes to the HBF to give some run. Sadly it was one those flukes of Goodes tonight and he never appeared there again.
Jack should never have played, didn't do anything to cover the loss of Tadhg.
We are so predictable now, he did nothing to mix up the forward lineor anyhting for that matter.
Why wasn't Davis on the ground to start. Why was he NEVER run on the ball. Was he too injured. When will players be instructed to kick to him.
What is a lifetime back man in John Blakey doing instructing forwards how to play?

They are now playing favourites at the expense of the team.

[NMWBloods]

What a phenomenal load of crap tonight.

J Bolton - useless.

Goodes - poor again. Needs to concentrate more on the ball and less on appealing for free kicks.

McVeigh - useless. One of the worst games I've seen him play.

Barry - one of our better players, not a bad game, but still messes up the easy stuff

C Bolton - solid as usual

Richards - shocker - completely destroyed.

Jolly - reasonable, but terrible missed mark in the last quarter.

Everitt - pretty good

Fosdike - worked hard

Kirk - same, but minimal impact

Hall - spent too much time tangling with Farrito and not enough time concentrating on getting the ball (even taking into account terrible delivery)

Malceski - decent, but missed his partner (Kennelly)

Schneider - okay, but minimal impact

Ablett - same, but just doesn't do enough

MOL - reasonable

Jack - looked like he could be okay, but tough first game

Schmidt - found it tough, but wasn't bad - probably one of our better players.

Moore - seemed to have minimal time

Davis - no involvement. Seemed to spend a lot of time in the goal square

Crouch - looked slow.

Mathews - stopped Harvey reasonably well, but pays no attention to the rest of the game.

OKeefe - not great, but one of our better players.



How crap are our midfielders. Every stoppage they spend more time looking for their opponents and don't look at the ball enough. We need to do somerthing about our negative midfield.

Why did Roos leave McVeigh on Grant for so long? McVeigh should have seen no time after half time.

[voodooguru]

Well, this is bound to happen anyway. I hope they'll get a good drubbing as a wake-up call.

Went to the Dome tonight, good seat on Lvl 3, just off the center. Great(ish) comeback in a game where we only played Sydney football for maybe half the game.

The Large Professor, after a lame 1st half, kicked two massive goals in the final quarter to keep us at the gate.

Kirky was a sliver off for a lot of the match, great again in the 4th. Should be better against the Saints.

Goodes back to his best, touch and timing-wise. Should excel next week. I thought a couple times he played for the free kick, which was certainly there in one case, instead of charging ahead to get the footy. Overall though, he's back next week.

Umpires don't respect the scrappy, despised by Demetrio, Swans. Didn't pay a couple crucial tackles we laid late in the match. Ball not knocked out in the tackle - dropped? Play on, goal North Melbourne, I mean Kangas. Hold us, push us in the back? Play on, far too often. Luckily, eventual respect is inescapable in the Swans/Bloods case.

Darren Jolly was ferocious in the final quarter and both he and Mt Everitt looked better around the ground. Another goal for Daddy J and Spida misses one he'll make before it's all over.

I think we'll be better next week but we certainly missed Tadhg, especially early. Vogels has to come in I think.


Hats off to The Kangas. I was looking around at their fans tonight and thinking, maybe they'll build a giant Land Ark to take them all to the Demographic Promised Land.

[NMWBloods]

ditto

Glad to see Jack get some touches in that frantic final term. Certainly didn't look out of his depth.

That must be the first time in a few years we have lost a game yet kicked more than 12 goals. Was the last time in that Roos' comeback in 2004?

Yep.

[Bloody Hell]

Yep, I think it was the Richmond game where he injured his knee, we really started to utilise our forward properly when he was off the ground. I am not saying we don't need him, we do, I just think our forward line works so much better when we don't go for him all the damn time!

He used to play further up the ground much more often.

[ugg]

- Missed Kennelly badly today, I thought early on we lacked direction coming off halfback. Plus he would have taken on Corey Jones who was giving Malceski a problem or two.
- Ted Richards spent too long on Aaron Edwards. Although Edwards didn't convert it into goals, he was constantly presenting a target for them. A more agile defender was required for this matchup.
- Kicking is just atrocious at the moment. I'd have no doubts we are the most ineffective kicking side in the competition by far.

[NMWBloods]

Yes - I really noticed the lack of attack without Kennelly. A major worry over the next month.

Our disposal has always been below average, but currently it's poor.

[Bloody Hell]

Yes - I really noticed the lack of attack without Kennelly. A major worry over the next month.

Our disposal has always been below average, but currently it's poor.

Adam Goodes.

I know in his previous incarnation as a CHB wasn't as successful as it could have been, but he'd do much better there now.

[voodooguru]

Adam Goodes.

I know in his previous incarnation as a CHB wasn't as successful as it could have been, but he'd do much better there now.

He was very good in the center and all around the ground when we came back, but will certainly spend time down back. I'd like to see him start in the center next week, I really think that although he didn't star this week, his timing and kicking are back and he could do a Judd against the Saints next week. Vogels has to come in.

[Nico]

On the umpiring. What about the 50 metre advantage free from a centre bounce to them, but when it happened to us at a crucial stage when we were storming home they brought it back to centre. Excuse me, but which ump knows the rule, was it the same ump, and what the hell is the rule.

[Nico]

I am almost certain Richards was on Edwards for the first 3 quarters.

Agreed Vogels should have played instead of Moore.

Richards was pathetic and how judgement can be made on Moore when he played 20%, yes 20% of game time when that noted hack Bolton gets 82%. What is 82% of nothing?

[Nico]

Goodes had 13 kicks and 3 handballs for 100% game time for 56% efectiveness. As I said elsewhere he was a "big girls blouse last", meaning he was soft as butter. Hardly the stuff that makes up a good game as someone else posted.

[ROK Lobster]

Goodes had 13 kicks and 3 handballs for 100% game time for 56% efectiveness. As I said elsewhere he was a "big girls blouse last", meaning he was soft as butter. Hardly the stuff that makes up a good game as someone else posted.

He had a look at one stage too Nico, going into traffic chasing a loose ball. He didin't collect, the Kangas did, and a goal followed. I love Goodesy, but something is crook.