Barry Hall - What Value?

[Nolie]

I am increasingly frustrated with Hall. IMO he is one of the most over-rated players in the League including being over-rated in this forum.

Decision-making: appalling. Contested marks: only occassionally. Ability to attract soft free kicks resulting in charity goals: negligible. Giving away stupid free kicks because of temperant: a certainty.
Good kick;definitely- about his only positive attribute IMO.

The kangaroos do not have a big name forward. Result: their players kick to where the opportunities present themself.

Hall is a liability.

[liz]

The kangaroos do not have a big name forward. Result: their players kick to where the opportunities present themself.

That's hardly Hall's fault - it is the fault of the rest of the team having blinkers on and players not running to present alternative options when there are three players hanging off him.

His second half, when the ball was getting down our end, was pretty good, but he certainly looks on the brink of snapping and doing something daft - ala Primus incident back in 2002 - when the ball isn't getting down there with any system.

FWIW he did win one non-free kick today - though he marked the ball anyway so it didn't matter that the free wasn't there. And he certainly had his arms chopped and head ripped off on one occasion that went unnoticed.

I understand where you're coming from but I don't think he's really the problem.

Maybe we need Horse to go back to coaching the forwards. No idea what Blakey would be like with the midfield group but it would be hard to think they could become less dysfunctional than they have been so far this year. And maybe Horse can get more of the structure back in the forward line that has been a feature of the last couple of years (and maybe work out decent strategies to beat the crowding / flooding which every team is clearly going to use against us this year - who wouldn't given how effective it has been?)

[Frog]

I am increasingly frustrated with Hall. IMO he is one of the most over-rated players in the League including being over-rated in this forum.

You are allowed to have that opinion, others may not share it.

Decision-making: appalling.

I don't see this - When on song he takes the kick, when not, he is happy to create the pass to get another to take the kick - May not always work, but then he does it when not kicking great to start with. He leads to where he can expect the ball, he runs, creates and knows he can barge through a pack if required.

Contested marks: only occassionally.

I believe the one decision he should make is to see if he can get money back on that eye operation he is supposed to have had - I believe he drops too many marks that hands like his should take, regardless of who is hanging of each elbow and ankle at the same time he jumps. I may give you the contested marks one.

Ability to attract soft free kicks resulting in charity goals: negligible.

He has no ability to attract soft free kicks, none whatsoever - negligible is being kind to him, but then he has a reputation - The umpires know his reputation - As soon as the umpires start to realise they are there as neutral observers and law enforcers and that the game is not about them, we may see different - But that has nothing to do with Hall and everything with the umpires.

Giving away stupid free kicks because of temperant: a certainty.

See reply above in answer to the soft free kicks. He has a reputation - Whilst the last time we saw this was probably earlier this year (I cannot remember which match it was, but I can remember yelling at him to leave it alone), he has not been up at the tribunal since 2005 (and we all well remember that one). Before that it was 2002 from memory, it was why his one-match ban in 2005 allowed him to play because of a good record - His points were under 100 after the early guilty plea. It is a perception, a reputation - a certainty? Bit harsh given his record - Almost every player is likely to snap given the wrong circumstances (Goodes for instance ).

Good kick;definitely- about his only positive attribute IMO.

Have to agree - But have to also point to reply under decision making - If he hasn't got his kicking boots on, he's the first that will forego to keep trying and start handing out "assists" (couldn't help it, it's late, couldn't think of anything but a basketball term) - Sometimes I wish he wouldn't, sometimes I wish he'd just back himself, but he's the one doing it out there - I have to believe he knows what he is doing.

The kangaroos do not have a big name forward. Result: their players kick to where the opportunities present themself.

Hall is a liability.

I have to reply to these two together - because that is the crux of the matter - their players do that - If only ours would - Hall consistently draws two if not three of the opposition defenders. I think Hall would be delighted if we won a game kicking 20 goals and he did not get a single one of them (OK, maybe I exaggerate, but you get my drift). If only our players would realise that two or three on Bazza when they first bang it inside 50 isn't going to change a lot for the rest of the match - It's why the likes of Davo and ROK and MOL are there. But time and again, it's Hall they choose. It's been said before, Hall-centric, you said it yourself in another thread - That is not Hall's doing. He can only do the best he can with what is hanging off him as he runs for another kick aimed in his direction.

Now lets recap: Appalling decisions, occasional contested marks, no free kicks for, free kicks against - But a great kick for goal - You'd almost call those that persist in kicking it to him a liability, wouldn't you?

[cruiser]

I also thought that Hall dropped a couple of chest marks that should have been a piece of cake. And the moment when he fell over after Kirk (?) kicked the ball to him when instead Kirk should have run on and kicked it himself (3rd quarter) - arrgghhhh!!!! The ball was scooped up by a North player and they ran it downfield for a goal. A 12 point goal if ever there was one.

[swansrule100]

I am increasingly frustrated with Hall. IMO he is one of the most over-rated players in the League including being over-rated in this forum.

Decision-making: appalling. Contested marks: only occassionally. Ability to attract soft free kicks resulting in charity goals: negligible. Giving away stupid free kicks because of temperant: a certainty.
Good kick;definitely- about his only positive attribute IMO.

The kangaroos do not have a big name forward. Result: their players kick to where the opportunities present themself.

Hall is a liability.

yep back to the twos this week he is costing us matches