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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #46
    Originally posted by bloodboy
    Whoa, settle down there ace. Stop getting so defensive. Just because I mention something you said earlier does not necessarily mean that I am disputing it.
    Certainly came across that way.

    Yeah, just read the infamous post 16, you seem to be all over the place in what you are saying. You say gradual changes are to be made and then question whether the coaching and playing groups are up to the next challenge. Let's get rid of the coaches, that'll be a nice little gradual change.
    Whoa - settle down and take a deep breath. I said gradual changes are needed. I don't know whether the players and coaching will be able to take the next step to go to another GF - that's a big ask. How do you then extrapolate that to sack everybody?

    The ultimate hypocrite, NMW. You are entitled to your view, but don't express it anywhere because you are wrong...hahaha.
    I never said don't express it - I was just clarifying one part, which you then decided to add a whole lot of interpretations of your own.

    Take some of your own advice and READ my posts carefully. You are trying to put words in my mouth. Don't. I have read quite a few of your posts and, well, you talk a lot of bull. When did I say that everyone's comments on here were drivel
    "I honestly can't believe what I am reading. Some of this absolute drivel shocks me"

    and when did I try to express that my views were more valid than the next person's? You are right, I do think that my opinion is right...hmmm...could that be why it is actually my opinion? You show me where I did not allow others to express their opinion. As for that last sentence, English please.
    This would particularly help to establish if you are completely off the mark with your comments, which you are here.

    There is only so much a good forward line can do with poor delivery. As soon as we recruit some exceptional midfielders, then we go hell for leather on the attacking.
    Who said anything about attacking "hell for leather" - there you go again with exaggerating what I said.
    Last edited by NMWBloods; 15 May 2007, 10:57 PM.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • Triple B
      Formerly 'BBB'
      • Feb 2003
      • 6999

      #47
      Originally posted by bloodboy
      There you go, quotes and all, just the way you like it.
      That's gold, bloodboy
      Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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      • sharp9
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2003
        • 2508

        #48
        Originally posted by liz
        The one thing that almost every other team seems to have done to us this year which maybe they didn't last year (to the same extent) is the uber-flood and clearly the team currently has no idea how to cope with it.
        Spot on Liz...it started in the Grannie. remember all that talk about how the Eagles never flood they always go man on man and would they change seeing as we won the Q? well they changed alright, played a loose man, flooded and won. Then they did it again in Rnd 1 and every team (that I have seen) has done it since. Those teams are gambling that we don't have the wit, patience and SKILL to score. Thay have been right (about the wit and the skill).

        The sickening thing is that we SHOULD squash teams that flood...because, in theory, the ball would never get to our defensive end because NORMALLY we would cause a stoppage as soon as they get the ball. But as we have seen the other teams just stream forward in a chain of uncontested possessions sometimes even all the way to goal. Makes me puke.

        We HAVE to man up when the opposition defence get the ball...if we let them get it with a spare man we a rooted. Saturday night was just sickening watching poor old BAzza run from one side of the filed to the other for NO tackles and no pressure because we refused to man up.

        Anyway, at least Rooseyt agrees with my pessimistic sentiment (if one week late). I suggested it was all over...he is actually saying if we play poorly this week it is officially over...rebuild time. He's right to give it one more week, of course because there is a 10% chance it could go upwards from here to a premiership so there's nothing to lose at the moment.

        I have one thing to say if we lose by 20 points and don't score 12 goals again....DRAFT PICKS!!!!
        "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16772

          #49
          Originally posted by sharp9
          Spot on Liz...it started in the Grannie. remember all that talk about how the Eagles never flood they always go man on man and would they change seeing as we won the Q? well they changed alright, played a loose man, flooded and won. Then they did it again in Rnd 1 and every team (that I have seen) has done it since. Those teams are gambling that we don't have the wit, patience and SKILL to score. Thay have been right (about the wit and the skill).

          Though they've taken it up another level even since the GF. Then it was pretty much just a spare man back, which was fairly unusual for the Eagles but a tactic used many times before by other teams. In round one they just went the absolute massive flood, with about 15 players seemingly camped permanently in our forward 50. And then those teams with more leg speed and - especially - those with pinpoint footskills can hurt us badly on the rebound.

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          • Industrial Fan
            Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
            • Aug 2006
            • 3318

            #50
            Originally posted by NMWBloods
            We didn't do that all the time and it was not done effectively by all teams for entire games.

            Yet none of that makes you correct and calling for an evolution to the next stage of the game plan is not something that is a panic call requiring a deep breath. You are seeing things that aren't there, which also seems to be approach to some aspects of football.

            It's pointless stopping your man if the opposition get a goal. It's about playing smart football.
            How does one flood for an entire game? And, yes >3 kicks in the backline led to boos.

            If the evolution involves sacking coaches and radically changing the game plan mid season, then I'm afraid to say that is lunacy, and yes, you need to take a deep breath.

            "Smart" football can work both ways. If you were marking Goodes, would you leave him to cover mr yawn? Who is more damaging? Sure, they got a goal that time, but you play the odds with when you do and dont leave your man.
            He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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            • hammo
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2003
              • 5554

              #51
              Originally posted by Marry me Goodes

              If the evolution involves sacking coaches and radically changing the game plan mid season, then I'm afraid to say that is lunacy, and yes, you need to take a deep breath.
              I haven't read anyone advocating for coaches to be sacked.
              "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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              • Mike_B
                Peyow Peyow
                • Jan 2003
                • 6267

                #52
                Why does this all feel like that episode of the Simpsons where Ned ends up in the mental hospital and they have the flashback to his parents taking him to the psychiatrist as a child and saying "we've tried nothing and we're all outta ideas"???

                I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

                If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
                  How does one flood for an entire game?
                  It is possible but difficult. It has happened more this year than in the past (see above references by others to the "uber flood").
                  And, yes >3 kicks in the backline led to boos.
                  Yes, but the increased defensive approach to us this year seems to be at a higher intensity.
                  If the evolution involves sacking coaches and radically changing the game plan mid season, then I'm afraid to say that is lunacy, and yes, you need to take a deep breath.
                  And again, where was the suggestion of sacking coaches or radically changing the game plan?
                  "Smart" football can work both ways. If you were marking Goodes, would you leave him to cover mr yawn? Who is more damaging? Sure, they got a goal that time, but you play the odds with when you do and dont leave your man.
                  You need to consider the circumstances, and in the last quarter when you are standing next to the player with the ball, and no one else is around, you are behind and need to stop the opposition moving the ball forward, you need to go to the ball. Similarly, if you are in the back line and an opposition has the ball 30m out directly in front then you need to go to the ball, not cover your own man.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • Nico
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11339

                    #54
                    Have been away for 3 days but managed to read the 2 articles by Roos and Hall.

                    Doesn't sound like they have any intention of dropping name players. But that's not new. They have been to the well before and they are hoping like hell they can do it again. Absolute folly. Sounds like Leigh Mathews was spot on. He said some of the older players would drop off.

                    By the way Jude Bolton has played 28 quarters of footy and performed in 1. Now that's indictable stuff but I'll bet the family jewels he is not dropped.
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