Paul Roos: Rocket's attack off target

[reigning premier]

Correct. he has something to do with it, not everything.

The inference is that as a team in the fickle Sydney market, there is immense pressure to make finals every year. That does limit your ability to "re-build" as a coach.

No one here knows 100% for sure what happened behind close doors. Rumour and innuendo are just that.

Bottom line, he's not the worst coach going around and he did a pretty good job at the Swans.

[AnnieH]

Correct. he has something to do with it, not everything.

The inference is that as a team in the fickle Sydney market, there is immense pressure to make finals every year. That does limit your ability to "re-build" as a coach.

No one here knows 100% for sure what happened behind close doors. Rumour and innuendo are just that.

Bottom line, he's not the worst coach going around and he did a pretty good job at the Swans.

immense pressure to make finals every year?????? wtf?????
wish they had they much pressure on them when they were losing at a rate of 26 in a row!!!

rumour and innuendo are my best friends. leave them alone.

[NMWBloods]

Wow.....

What a bunch of Cynics.

Rocket may have had his faults but he was a pretty good coach for us. It's disappointing to see this sort of animosity between a club and an ex coach but then again, things rarely end well. They only ever end badly. If it wasn't bad, it wouldn't have ended in the first place!

Rocket took us to the finals almost every year he coached. No doubt he would of been under EXTREME pressure to make the finals each and every year. This will have an adverse effect on managing your playing list. i.e. You end up taking high price perfomance proven veterans with only 2 years in the draft instead of taking 4 untried young guns with 10yrs ahead of them. I don't blame Rocket for any of our shortfalls in his period of coaching. He was and still is an effective coach. I'd take him back of Dean Wallace, Pagan, Williams, Daniher or Thompson.

Yep - this 'us against them' attitude is a bit tedious.

Eade was an excellent coach. It's arguable whether Roos is better.

[swantastic]

Eade was an excellent coach. It's arguable whether Roos is better.

Are you on medication? because if your not you need to take some because Roos wins hands down theres no argument.

[NMWBloods]

Given our list during Eades reign, just making the finals was not that good.
We only made the one preliminary final during his time.... in 96 !
Eade was the coach ???? He must have something to do with the state of the team at the time of his demise

No, but in '98 we lost to a superb Adelaide outfit. We been lucky not to have played Adelaide in the past two seasons in finals - I doubt if we would have progressed any further with this team under Roos in '98 than we did then. We also had no Kelly or Cresswell in that Adelaide game. How would we have gone in '05 or '06 losing Kirk and O'Keefe?

Also, given the amazing amount of luck in '05, Roos' performance may have been little better than Eade's. I would also argue that the quality of the top sides in the mid to late '90s is higher than now.

1999 was our most disappointing year under Eade.

The side was just average in 2000 and 2001. In 2002 Eade's time had passed.

[NMWBloods]

Are you on medication? because if your not you need to take some because Roos wins hands down theres no argument.

Why?

[liz]

I would also argue that the quality of the top sides in the mid to late '90s is higher than now.

Not convinced by that argument. The Roos were heavily dependent on Carey and once he was injured or playing hampered by injury, they came back to the field somewhat. I think there is a strong argument that Adelaide's two premierships were a case of a good - not great - team taking advantage of an evenness at the top, not unlike Sydney's recent performances. Neither Adelaide nor the Kangas were overly impressive in the 1998 GF, and in 1999 North were lucky to come up against Carlton, rather than the Bombers. I don't think it was until the Bombers got their act together in 1999-2001 that a truly dominant team emerged. And then they had the Lions and Power hot on their heels. Though even with the Lions it is worth noting that they had September action down pat but didn't necessarily dominate throughout the season.

I think the relative evenness of the top teams is more likely to be the norm than 1999-2001. Many look at West Coast's list and start to drool and want to put it into the "super team" category. Yet we all know it is possible to tame that behemoth with a squadron of rusty old cortinas.

[swantastic]

Why?

I reckon your brains fried,IMO Roos is a far better coach than Eade and he has the stats to back it up.Also dont forget that Roosy is a newbie at coaching where as Rocket had done it before.

[ernie koala]

Eade was an excellent coach. It's arguable whether Roos is better.

Please, take the medication.

[NMWBloods]

Not convinced by that argument. The Roos were heavily dependent on Carey and once he was injured or playing hampered by injury, they came back to the field somewhat. I think there is a strong argument that Adelaide's two premierships were a case of a good - not great - team taking advantage of an evenness at the top, not unlike Sydney's recent performances. Neither Adelaide nor the Kangas were overly impressive in the 1998 GF, and in 1999 North were lucky to come up against Carlton, rather than the Bombers. I don't think it was until the Bombers got their act together in 1999-2001 that a truly dominant team emerged. And then they had the Lions and Power hot on their heels. Though even with the Lions it is worth noting that they had September action down pat but didn't necessarily dominate throughout the season.

I think the relative evenness of the top teams is more likely to be the norm than 1999-2001. Many look at West Coast's list and start to drool and want to put it into the "super team" category. Yet we all know it is possible to tame that behemoth with a squadron of rusty old cortinas.

I think the Kangaroos with Carey from '95-'99 plus Adelaide in '97-'98 finals plus Essendon in '99-'01 were all better teams than West Coast currently. Mainly because West Coast lacks a really good forward line.

Also, I think injuries are a big factor too, and the Swans had some injury problems at critical times in '96-'98. I'm not sure if you can credit that luck to the coach.

[hammo]

I reckon your brains fried,IMO Roos is a far better coach than Eade and he has the stats to back it up.Also dont forget that Roosy is a newbie at coaching where as Rocket had done it before.

Are you sure you've got the facts to back that up?

Sydney was Eade's first coaching job.

[NMWBloods]

I reckon your brains fried,IMO Roos is a far better coach than Eade and he has the stats to back it up.Also dont forget that Roosy is a newbie at coaching where as Rocket had done it before.

Which stats? Are you just considering W/L ratio? Are you just considering the flag? I don't think there is enough in those two factors to say that Roos is clearly a better coach than Eade.

Also it was Eade's first senior coaching job too.

[ernie koala]

Which stats? Are you just considering W/L ratio? Are you just considering the flag? I don't think there is enough in those two factors to say that Roos is clearly a better coach than Eade.

Also it was Eade's first senior coaching job too.

Have a look at win/loss ratios, when it matters, in finals !!
Roosy wins hands down....In fact, the Swans have the best win/loss ratio in finals over the last 3 years, of any team in the comp !!!

[swantastic]

Which stats? Are you just considering W/L ratio? Are you just considering the flag? I don't think there is enough in those two factors to say that Roos is clearly a better coach than Eade.

Also it was Eade's first senior coaching job too.

Sorry my blunder,but he did play in a very successful football team of his era which would have helped.On the stats he has a better win/loss ratio,has won a flag and narrowly missed on another in a row and has taken them to more finals apperances,so in my book he is a better coach.

[ernie koala]

Which stats? Are you just considering W/L ratio? Are you just considering the flag? I don't think there is enough in those two factors to say that Roos is clearly a better coach than Eade.

Also it was Eade's first senior coaching job too.

Have a look at win/loss ratios, when it matters, in finals !!
Roosy wins hands down....In fact, the Swans have the best win/loss ratio in finals, over the last 3 years, of any team in the comp !!!