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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16738

    Dermie on Baz

    I know Dermott is not to everyone's taste but I was always a fan of the insights he gave into specific nuances of the game - rather than just stating the bland obvious that is the trade of most commentators.

    Here he provides - in written form this time - an interesting critique of Hall's game last weekend.

    There are a couple of minor issues I'd take issue with - like the suggestion that his team mates are looking for alternative options more, something that was maybe true against the Power and Dogs but hasn't been obvious in most other games. And I am not sure which the two "no-brainer" frees are that he refers to. Presumably the hip and shoulder one is not one of the two, given there have been no rules changes that make that a free this year and not last.

    In any case, it's a pretty interesting read, despite coming from the Hun.

  • Bloody Hell
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2006
    • 3085

    #2
    Pretty comprehensive...

    "Hall went the other way and dropped out of the contest. It wasn't a good sign."

    Dermie doesn't offer a reason for this, but to me this is coaching and seems to afflict most Swans at the moment.
    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #3
      That's a great article!
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • Claret
        Support Staff
        • Sep 2005
        • 1104

        #4
        The article took up an entire double page spread except for Nikki Tugwell's article in which Roos himself said that the Swans have been too Hall-centric! (Seeming contradicting Dermie's main argument).

        He did have some interesting opinions about his ruckwork in the forward line though - no attempted hitouts all year.
        And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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        • hammo
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2003
          • 5554

          #5
          Excellent article from Dermie. Especially this:

          PART of Hall's problem is Sydney's skill level has dropped.
          Several times on Saturday night Hall ran to the wrong position, hoping that his teammate might pull out the miracle pass and drop it in his lap. This might have happened in the past couple of seasons, but not this year.

          Hall must take matters into his own hands and get to positions that demand he be the recipient.
          That's my pet hate with the Swans this year - Hall leading to the pocket and teammates trying precision passes (and missing of course).

          I hope this article is slipped under Barry's hotel room door tonight.
          "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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          • giant
            Veterans List
            • Mar 2005
            • 4731

            #6
            Very interesting article - couple of things tho:
            • I imagine he's doing less ruck work this year coz of the Spida factor
            • the passing to Hall really was appalling last week. Ablett's missed 15m pass in Q4 cost us the game every bit as much as Blind Freddy the boundary umpire
            • I thought at least some of Barry's lead to the pockets was an attempt to take Michael & Fletcher out of the contest


            But lots of the other stuff rings very true.

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            • originalswan
              On the Rookie List
              • Aug 2004
              • 550

              #7
              Originally posted by giant
              Very interesting article - couple of things tho:
              • I imagine he's doing less ruck work this year coz of the Spida factor
              • the passing to Hall really was appalling last week. Ablett's missed 15m pass in Q4 cost us the game every bit as much as Blind Freddy the boundary umpire
              • I thought at least some of Barry's lead to the pockets was an attempt to take Michael & Fletcher out of the contest


              But lots of the other stuff rings very true.
              Interestingly, if Hall is not doing any of the ruck work in the forward line then one of our Ruckmen will always be there, basically clogging up the forward line. I think it would be more preferable and not as predictable for Hall to occassionally take the ruck work and have the Ruckman stationed a kick behind the play.

              Dermie's right in saying that the GPS can be misleading as you can run around all day like a headless chook and have good stats with your ground coverage and yet still play poorly.

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              • Wazza
                Regular in the Side
                • May 2004
                • 805

                #8
                Great article by Dermie and agree with moet of his points but like Liz not sure about the 2 no brainers.

                Watching the Swans I always watch BBBH first contest closely and more importantly his second effort. If he contests a ball early that spills and he looks towards the umpire saying "what about me" instead of concentrating on the second effort, I always feel he is not going to have a good game.>
                But if he digs in hard for the "second effort" and wins the ball you can almost feel his and the teams confidence lift.

                Watching this year I think he has been looking for or even expecting the free and losing concentration through frustration more than in previous years.

                Maybe his expectation was with the rule changes he would be awarded more free kicks this season?

                Cheers

                Waz

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                • goswannie14
                  Leadership Group
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 11166

                  #9
                  Great article, this is one of the reasons I would like to see Dermie coaching at the top level.
                  Does God believe in Atheists?

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                  • Sanecow
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 6917

                    #10
                    Of course what I meant to say was "great article by Dermie" because 50 people saying the same thing is great conversation. @@@@ing Nuff nuffs.

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                    • smasher
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 627

                      #11
                      I thought Dermie was on the money.He is a good reader of the game.

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                      • Mr_Juicy
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 397

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sanecow
                        Of course what I meant to say was "great article by Dermie" because 50 people saying the same thing is great conversation. @@@@ing Nuff nuffs.
                        Get kicked out of the Big Brother house? Welcome back. You are right, it's nothing but the bleeding obvious.

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9718

                          #13
                          Originally posted by goswannie14
                          Great article, this is one of the reasons I would like to see Dermie coaching at the top level.
                          I'd like to think that there are already a lot of folks at the top level doing similar things that don't get published
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • goswannie14
                            Leadership Group
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 11166

                            #14
                            Originally posted by stellation
                            I'd like to think that there are already a lot of folks at the top level doing similar things that don't get published
                            I would hope so too. I have been impressed in the way that Dermott reads the game and I guess it's only that he is in the media that we get a glimpse of it. Where most other coaches don't have the media experience/exposure to that extent before they take up coaching.
                            Does God believe in Atheists?

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                            • TheHood
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1938

                              #15
                              The "no brainer"comment angered me and like someone said through the week about the rule, "presumably that is because the rule makers didn't use their brains".

                              I think there is an element of truth in Baz not running hard enough or diviong in hard enough without the ball at skirmish/stoppages. Baz can run hard and I have seen him do that in the same games that I have seen him fall off potential "lock-in" moments.

                              Baz is hardly the Swans problem at the moment. But Dermot reckons Baz has a problem and so do I, the Rules Committee and the Umpire fraternity.
                              The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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