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  • reigning premier
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Sep 2006
    • 4335

    #31
    Originally posted by NMWBloods
    To take the ultimate extreme, I wonder how many people would be happy if we won a premiership by winning every game 5 goals to 3?
    About 31,000......

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    • AnnieH
      RWOs Black Sheep
      • Aug 2006
      • 11332

      #32
      Originally posted by NMWBloods
      To take the ultimate extreme, I wonder how many people would be happy if we won a premiership by winning every game 5 goals to 3?
      i'm in.
      Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
      Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16744

        #33
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        Yes, but you seem to equating contested football only with low scoring contests.
        Where? I don't think I've made mention of the resultant scoring rate. All I've said is that I like watching highly contested footy. I've said nothing about the resulting scoreline except to imply that very high scoring goals are almost always the result of very little pressure. You say that's not always the case and I suspect there are one or two exceptions that prove the rule. But that's what they are, exceptions.

        Maybe a 15-14 scoreline is more appealing than a 10-9 scoreline but to me the difference is marginal and pretty much irrelevant compared to the fierceness of the contest.

        It should also be noted that a major factor why Swans game are often relatively low scoring is because the opposition tries to match the Swans for contests around the ball. Which, of course, makes sense if it's their best chance of winning. And of course, we shouldn't fail to recognise that many of the games this season in particular have seen the opposition uber-flood the Swans' forward line, a tactic the Swans very rarely resort to and one that directly leads to the chipping around the backline that can get a bit dull.

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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          #34
          for me, i love the way they've been playing. the last few years have been edge-of-the-seat footy. after spending so many years watching mediocre, it's been exciting.
          admittedly, the stoppages can get a bit tedious at times, but all-in-all, the price of my membership has been well worth it.
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #35
            Originally posted by liz
            Where?
            You keep referring to shootouts, as if they are the only other option.

            I don't think I've made mention of the resultant scoring rate. All I've said is that I like watching highly contested footy. I've said nothing about the resulting scoreline except to imply that very high scoring goals are almost always the result of very little pressure. You say that's not always the case and I suspect there are one or two exceptions that prove the rule. But that's what they are, exceptions.
            Yes, if we are seeing scorelines of >20 goals on both sides (although that is notalways the case).

            However, I'm not talking about those games. I'm talking about ones where there are a reasonable number of goals kicked for the game - say around 30 or so. It is more likely that game will be more interesting than a game where 15 goals are scored in total.

            Maybe a 15-14 scoreline is more appealing than a 10-9 scoreline but to me the difference is marginal and pretty much irrelevant compared to the fierceness of the contest.
            Given one of the highlights of football is seeing goals, I think an extra 10 goals during the game adds more interest and excitement. There is no reason at all that the former game should have less fierceness than the latter. However, a game of ball ups and tackling is not exciting for many people outside Sydneysiders.
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #36
              Originally posted by originalswan
              Count me in!!!!!!!!!
              Originally posted by reigning premier
              About 31,000......
              Originally posted by Annie Haddad
              i'm in.
              Yep - that would be an exciting highlight tape...

              If the game is reduced to one of boredom does it make following the game any more exciting or rewarding that wandering down to the local primary school and watching the four square competition?
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • originalswan
                On the Rookie List
                • Aug 2004
                • 550

                #37
                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                Yep - that would be an exciting highlight tape...

                If the game is reduced to one of boredom does it make following the game any more exciting or rewarding that wandering down to the local primary school and watching the four square competition?
                The question was specifically in relation to low scorelines but triumph in the Grand Final - I for one am willing to be bored by winning a Premiership!

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #38
                  Originally posted by originalswan
                  The question was specifically in relation to low scorelines but triumph in the Grand Final - I for one am willing to be bored by winning a Premiership!
                  But you missed the point. Is there any satisfaction in winning a boring spectacle?
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • Jewels
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3258

                    #39
                    The most boring game of footy I have seen in a very long time was the round 8 game this year between the Rooboys and Carlton. The Roos won 22.15 to 20.10 and it was as boring as. The ball just went up one end, kick goal down the other end, kick goal. It was uncontested and BORING. Maybe I am the only person that thought it was bad because I'm used to Swannies games but I can tell you, if you had to choose the better game between my example above and our game V Hawthorn, I'd be VERY surprised if anybody chose the Roos game.

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                    • reigning premier
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 4335

                      #40
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods
                      Yep - that would be an exciting highlight tape...

                      If the game is reduced to one of boredom does it make following the game any more exciting or rewarding that wandering down to the local primary school and watching the four square competition?
                      Perhaps other teams don't value a goal as highly as we do??

                      Perhaps that's why no one watches soccer... all that low scoring....

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                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        #41
                        Originally posted by NMWBloods
                        To take the ultimate extreme, I wonder how many people would be happy if we won a premiership by winning every game 5 goals to 3?
                        I'd be in on that, then I could flip the bird at the AFL.
                        Does God believe in Atheists?

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #42
                          Strange views of what makes a good game of football..
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • originalswan
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 550

                            #43
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            But you missed the point. Is there any satisfaction in winning a boring spectacle?
                            Ahhh...YES. Satisfaction that your team is successful, perhaps I wouldn't watch a replay, but on the other hand the point I think you are missing is that it would be better to have a shot at the Premiership and winning ugly than Carlton's position and playing fast flowing football.

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                            • reigning premier
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 4335

                              #44
                              Originally posted by originalswan
                              Ahhh...YES. Satisfaction that your team is successful, perhaps I wouldn't watch a replay, but on the other hand the point I think you are missing is that it would be better to have a shot at the Premiership and winning ugly than Carlton's position and playing fast flowing football.

                              And running near on dead last for the last five seasons to boot!

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                              • NMWBloods
                                Taking Refuge!!
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15819

                                #45
                                Originally posted by originalswan
                                Ahhh...YES. Satisfaction that your team is successful, perhaps I wouldn't watch a replay, but on the other hand the point I think you are missing is that it would be better to have a shot at the Premiership and winning ugly than Carlton's position and playing fast flowing football.
                                I think you're missing the point that entertainment in watching the sport is inherent in the reason for us following it. There is more to it than just winning.

                                Would you rather win by kicking 5 goals to 3 or by kicking 15 goals to 13?
                                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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