Each AFL side's run home

[reigning premier]

I don't think all Vic teams get a soft draw, it seems to me it's the Pies that get it easy year in and year out. Richmond had a particularly mongrel draw this year. I know they would have been crap even if they had the Pies draw but what they copped certainly didn't help their cause.

Yeah.. They probably would have won three by now....

[NMWBloods]

Do Sydney travel further?

11 games away from Sydney
2 in Canberra (minimal travel)
6 in Melbourne (1 hr flight)
1 in Adelaide (2 hr flight)
1 in Brisbane (1 hr flight)
1 in Perth (4 hr flight)
13 hours flying

West Coast/Fremantle
8 games away Subi
1 in Adelaide (2 hr flight)
1 in Brisbane (5 hr flight)
1 in Sydney (4 hr flight)
5 in Melbourne (4 hr flight)
31 hours flying

I don't think the travelling from Melb to Syd and vice versa is really a major issue.

Collingwood
4 games away from Melb
1 in Perth (4 hr flight)
1 in Adelaide (2 hr flight)
1 in Brisbane (2 hr flight)
1 in Sydney (1 hr flight)
9 hours flying

Essendon
5 games away from Melb
2 in Perth (4 hr flight)
2 in Adelaide (2 hr flight)
1 in Sydney (1 hr flight)
13 hours flying

[reigning premier]

The real issue is Away Vs Home games....

Not the travel time. They're all professional athletes that have all week to get there and all week to get back. It's not like they finish work on Friday evening and fly somwhere for a game that night.

Swans

11 games away from Sydney

WCE

8 games away Subi

Coll

4 games away from Melb

Ess

5 games away from Melb

[NMWBloods]

I was specifically referring to the point that the Swans travel further.

Comparing the Swans to WCE, the WCE away games are a much bigger burden than for the Swans, while their home games are a bigger advantage.

Comparing the Swans to Melbourne based teams, they play more games without travelling, but have less true home games. Collingwood plays 18 games in Melbourne but only 5 are against interstate sides. Essendon has only 4 against interstate sides of 17 at home.

So the Swans get:
11 home games
2 neutral games
9 away games

West Coast
11 home games
1 neutral game
10 away games

Collingwood
5 home games
13 neutral games
4 away games

Essendon
4 home games
13 neutral games
5 away games

[hammo]

Your argument is based on dodgy maths, RP.

West Coast and Freo play 10 games away from Subiaco, not 8. It's 11 home games plus 1 away game against the other WA team. And those really are away games because each club has in excess of 40,000 members.

Same for the SA teams.

Sydney have 11 home games and 2 in Canberra, which are effectively home games anyway given the crown support down there.

So effectively, that's 13 'home' games for Sydney and only 11 for the SA and WA teams.

And if you want to see a tough draw for Malbourne teams, look at the Kangaroos (admittedly partially due to their own design). They're due to play at MCG, Telstra Dome, Aurora, Subiaco x2, AAMI, Carrara this season.

Collingwood play so many games in Melbourne because every other Melbourne team wants to play a home game against them to collect a huge gate.

[reigning premier]

Your argument is based on dodgy maths, RP.

West Coast and Freo play 10 games away from Subiaco, not 8. It's 11 home games plus 1 away game against the other WA team. And those really are away games because each club has in excess of 40,000 members.

Same for the SA teams.

Sydney have 11 home games and 2 in Canberra, which are effectively home games anyway given the crown support down there.

So effectively, that's 13 'home' games for Sydney and only 11 for the SA and WA teams.

And if you want to see a tough draw for Malbourne teams, look at the Kangaroos (admittedly partially due to their own design). They're due to play at MCG, Telstra Dome, Aurora, Subiaco x2, AAMI, Carrara this season.

Collingwood play so many games in Melbourne because every other Melbourne team wants to play a home game against them to collect a huge gate.

I don't think that Manuka or TS are advantageous for us as our home grounds... TS is probably debabtable (Though looking at our record there, it would indicate that we enjoy playing there a whole lot less than the SCG), but Manuka is a different town altogether. Yeah we get a lot of support ther, but it's still not like Collingwood who even in an "Away" game at TS, get 25k + of their own supporters tunring up.. (If they're winning.. )

Collingwood have 15 at the MCG, 11 of which are "home". They also play another 3 at the dome, and as above, they get a lot of support. Effectively, they get 18 in front of their supporters.

Carlton get 8 at the MCG, 8 at TD.

Essendon get 8 at TD, 9 at MCG.

Even Hawthorn get 8 at the MCG, 5 TD and 4 at Aurora... If we ust the rationale above (That Manuka and TS are "home" games), then that's 17 that they get!!

Frockers get 12 at Subi - But at least they're all at Subi! I'd gladly trade our "Home" gaes at Manuka for the SCG.... TS for that matter too!

Even Geelong go OK with 8 at SS and 7 at TD.

The point is, the more grounds you play at, the less you play at home. Vic teams really only play at MCG or TD.

Yeah Kangaroos get stiffed but they sold themselves into that so no real sympathy there.

I'd happily take 6 games at TS and none at Manuka or vice versa on top of our true home games. It's only when you play there regularly that you do truly get the home ground advantage...

That's the point being made here....

[Hazcam]

My point is GS14 that the Vic teams play home and away games at the G and TD so there is no disadvantage to them like we have when we play at TD or the G.Theres no home advantage or away disadvantage.

Well that's obviously going to happen if there are 10 teams in Victoria. You can't expect them to play against eachother in Darwin or something.

Freo and West Coast dont have it that great because they alternate each week at subiaco.

I do see where your coming from, the Pies have all their Games at the G and prob Telstra.

[Xie Shan]

Back on topic for a minute, how shocking is the Kangaroos' run home. They have done wonderfully well to get to where they have, but even after tomorrow's game against in Tassie, where it's always tough to beat the Hawks, they've got games against the Lions (away- looks really tough up at the Gabba now they're in form), West Coast (at TD, but after the Eagles demolished the Dogs there last night that is going to be a tough one to win), and Geelong (the form team of the comp, tough to beat no matter where they play). They could quite easily drop at least 2-3 of those. Port could also drop a couple with trips to Tassie and Geelong, otherwise not too bad. *If* the swans did go 5-0 from here, I'm sure that will be enough for 4th spot.