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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9723

    #16
    Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
    Take your point, but what has he done since? Those words describe him to a tee IMO
    Kicked 47 goals in 31 games, at a rate a touch over 1.5 per game; a more than decent return for someone who is not a key forward target. Folks are suggesting that O'Loughlin is in wonderful form, over the same period Michael has averaged a touch under 1.8 per game as someone who is very much a key forward target.
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #17
      Yes - it's amazing that people are creaming themselves over MOL's form to the same degree that they are bagging Davis.

      In 2006 and 2007, they have the following averages per game:
      MOL 11.8 possessions, 1.8 goals, 1.5 tackles
      Davis 13.2 possessions, 1.5 goals, 1.7 tackles
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • Industrial Fan
        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3318

        #18
        I know who I would pick first in my team...

        Davis hasn't been that bad this year. Was awful last year, but I dont think the numbers tell the full story. Micky has been in great touch this year, and it's not all about goals on the board.

        I would like to see Goal assist stats for the two. Having said that they play a different role. Davis is more outside 50 and setting up with his kicking, and Micky has been either marking or crumbing and setting up goals. Overall, I think that's a bit of a silly example.

        Mick has been crashing packs and going after hotly contested footy - Davis has, and will almost always get his goals from reading the play and getting uncontested footy. He usually scores from his opportunities, but you cant always get to goal playing like that.
        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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        • hammo
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2003
          • 5554

          #19
          There is no way MOL's season has been better than Davis'.

          His 'great form' is not reflected in any of his stats.

          It seems objectivity goes out the window when assessing the form of certain club favourites.
          "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9723

            #20
            Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
            I know who I would pick first in my team...

            Davis hasn't been that bad this year. Was awful last year, but I dont think the numbers tell the full story. Micky has been in great touch this year, and it's not all about goals on the board.

            I would like to see Goal assist stats for the two. Having said that they play a different role. Davis is more outside 50 and setting up with his kicking, and Micky has been either marking or crumbing and setting up goals. Overall, I think that's a bit of a silly example.

            Mick has been crashing packs and going after hotly contested footy - Davis has, and will almost always get his goals from reading the play and getting uncontested footy. He usually scores from his opportunities, but you cant always get to goal playing like that.
            Whilst I agree that he reads the play very well and is more likely to work out where the ball is going to go and get there than he is to go get the ball (very different mindsets, not too many that can do it as well as Davis can) I think Davis not going after the hard ball/putting his body on the line is a bit of a fallacy; both he and O'Loughlin, for example, are averaging pretty much the same number of contested possessions per game (4.6)- that is a pretty decent rate (obviously a higher % of Mick's overall possessions are contested because he gets a bit less of the footy) and my very lazy quick glance suggests that puts them in at least the top 10 at the club for contested possessions per game. Top 10 in "the bloods", that pride themselves on contested footy, for a guy who never puts his body on the line?
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • goswannie14
              Leadership Group
              • Sep 2005
              • 11166

              #21
              According to ScottH's stats, Davis has been scoring more on average per match than MOL this year.

              M O'Loughlin 19 31 12 198 72% 1.6
              N Davis 14 24 11 155 69% 1.7
              Does God believe in Atheists?

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              • ROK Lobster
                RWO Life Member
                • Aug 2004
                • 8658

                #22
                Scenario 1: 40m from goal, contested footy, Jude Bolton at bottom of pack, ball comes out to Daivs who has stayed on his feet.

                Scenario 2: 40m from goal, contested footy, Nick Davis at bottom of pack, ball comes out to Bolton who has stayed on his feet.

                Scenario 3: 40m from goal, contested footy, Davis and Bolton at bottom of pack, ball comes out to unmarked opposition player who has stayed on his feet.

                Which scenario do you prefer?

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                • Mr_Juicy
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 397

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                  Scenario 1: 40m from goal, contested footy, Jude Bolton at bottom of pack, ball comes out to Daivs who has stayed on his feet.

                  Scenario 2: 40m from goal, contested footy, Nick Davis at bottom of pack, ball comes out to Bolton who has stayed on his feet.

                  Scenario 3: 40m from goal, contested footy, Davis and Bolton at bottom of pack, ball comes out to unmarked opposition player who has stayed on his feet.

                  Which scenario do you prefer?
                  did anyone kick the goal?

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                  • ScottH
                    It's Goodes to cheer!!
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 23665

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mr_Juicy
                    did anyone kick the goal?
                    EOQ3 = ND

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                    • Industrial Fan
                      Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3318

                      #25
                      Originally posted by stellation
                      Whilst I agree that he reads the play very well and is more likely to work out where the ball is going to go and get there than he is to go get the ball (very different mindsets, not too many that can do it as well as Davis can) I think Davis not going after the hard ball/putting his body on the line is a bit of a fallacy; both he and O'Loughlin, for example, are averaging pretty much the same number of contested possessions per game (4.6)- that is a pretty decent rate (obviously a higher % of Mick's overall possessions are contested because he gets a bit less of the footy) and my very lazy quick glance suggests that puts them in at least the top 10 at the club for contested possessions per game. Top 10 in "the bloods", that pride themselves on contested footy, for a guy who never puts his body on the line?
                      I was trying to make a point re: positioning as opposed to a reluctance to get the contested ball.

                      Often his eyes light up when the ball is there to be won. But then, I would also say that if he less than 50/50 to win the ball he's less likely to contest it where others would.
                      He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                      • Mr_Juicy
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 397

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ScottH
                        EOQ3 = ND
                        Jude did a great job getting it out didn't he

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                        • Industrial Fan
                          Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 3318

                          #27
                          Originally posted by hammo
                          There is no way MOL's season has been better than Davis'.

                          His 'great form' is not reflected in any of his stats.

                          It seems objectivity goes out the window when assessing the form of certain club favourites.
                          Could it be possible that the stats dont tell the whole story? As the Davis gang likes to point out, he does more than most with minimal possesions. Micky O has been more effective at 1. Creating a contest (a role he hasn't been asked to do since approx 2001) 2. Goal assists, and clean possesions inside 50.

                          If I had to choose between Mick and Davis on this seasons form, it would be quite straightforward.
                          He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                          • stellation
                            scott names the planets
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 9723

                            #28
                            They are actually averaging about the same in goal assists per game.
                            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                            • ROK Lobster
                              RWO Life Member
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 8658

                              #29
                              Originally posted by stellation
                              They are actually averaging about the same in goal assists per game.
                              But Abo's are naturally lazy, so MO'L has to work harder to get the same amount of stats...
                              Last edited by ROK Lobster; 17 August 2007, 07:25 AM. Reason: Mod request

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                              • stellation
                                scott names the planets
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 9723

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                                But abo's are naturally lazy, so MO'L has to work harder to get the same amount of stats...
                                Boy howdy you can say that again!
                                I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                                We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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