If you want to point a finger, point it at Nick Davis....

[originalswan]

Twice during the Brisbane game I saw Davis getting the ball at half back - Pretty hard to kick goals from there - Were we all watching the same game - the Swans only had Barry Hall in the forward line at times, bit hard to kick a few if you aren't in the forward 50 - Remember team rules come before personal glory.

[robbieando]

I'm sick to death of the same people defending Nick Davis and then turning on some of the youngsters who haven't got as much talent as Davis yet they try their hardest.

Really??? I of all people ALWAYS defending Nick Davis?? I'm sure more than a few people will tell you I would of been the last person they would expect to defend him. In any case you certainly didn't read what I was posting on this board a year ago about him then.

As for turning on the younger players, I'll say one thing that alot of people will most likely agree with (pro Nick Davis or anti Nick Davis groups alike), if there NOT UP TO IT THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE SIDE! Regardless of how hard they try.

Its how good you play not how hard you try.

Problem here is the pro Nick Davis side is 100% on the money with what they are saying. He isn't a full time forward anymore, he will spend time there, but most of the time he'll have a role in the midfield to deliver the ball to the forward or in a defensive half forward, where he gives up his game (and therefore stats) for the team.

When he rests its either on the bench or up forward. So expecting him to kick bags of goals is unfair on him and stupid to say the least because your expecting him to do the impossible on a weekly basis. If he can kick between 20 to 30 goals in a season in his NEW ROLE then we are on a winner.

The anti Nick Davis side (which I was part of up until he came back in his new role last year) still think he is a full time forward, expect him to kick 3 to 4 goals a match, rack up 15 possessions a match in the process and if he isn't sited its not because he playing his role, its because is not trying to kick goals and well we should try Paul Bevan instead.

I say to those who aren't yet aware of the new Nick Davis (ie the anti Nick Davis group) open your eyes and see two things

1) its August 2007 and
2) Nick Davis is playing a completely different role to the one he was playing between 2003 and July 2006.

Soon some people get that, the better understood Nick Davis will be in his new role.

[BurgandiLove]

I don't really see why it is Nick's fault we didn't win simply because he didn't pop up to win the game. Half the playing squad had the same number of touches as Nick or less. Barry kicked 1.5, that is horrible kicking for goal in anyone's book- but at the same time most of the misses (from memory) weren't overly easy. Adam missed two pretty easy shots on goal. Michael didn't kick any. It happens.

yeah but how many games has nick dominated this year? None. It's never Nicks fault is it?

For such a hyped player he does nothing at all.

[robbieando]

What absolute drivel. Nick Davis is the only player in the side at the moment that you'd back with any confidence kicking a goal from 40+ metres out - Look on the weekend where Ablett, Hall, Schneider to name a few all failed from that distance. When other sides bomb them from there regularly to beat the flood, it makes our deficiencies in this area all the more glaring.

Apart from being our most reliable shot at goal he also adds skill and clean disposal to our otherwise skill-lacking midfield.

That and he would be the only player in the team I would want kicking for my life from 60m out on a 45 deg angle.

But your right hard to kick goals when your up the other end of the ground.

[573v30]

Maybe they should kick the ball to Davis when he's in the attacking 50...

[BurgandiLove]

Really??? I of all people ALWAYS defending Nick Davis?? I'm sure more than a few people will tell you I would of been the last person they would expect to defend him. In any case you certainly didn't read what I was posting on this board a year ago about him then.

As for turning on the younger players, I'll say one thing that alot of people will most likely agree with (pro Nick Davis or anti Nick Davis groups alike), if there NOT UP TO IT THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE SIDE! Regardless of how hard they try.

Its how good you play not how hard you try.

Problem here is the pro Nick Davis side is 100% on the money with what they are saying. He isn't a full time forward anymore, he will spend time there, but most of the time he'll have a role in the midfield to deliver the ball to the forward or in a defensive half forward, where he gives up his game (and therefore stats) for the team.

When he rests its either on the bench or up forward. So expecting him to kick bags of goals is unfair on him and stupid to say the least because your expecting him to do the impossible on a weekly basis. If he can kick between 20 to 30 goals in a season in his NEW ROLE then we are on a winner.

The anti Nick Davis side (which I was part of up until he came back in his new role last year) still think he is a full time forward, expect him to kick 3 to 4 goals a match, rack up 15 possessions a match in the process and if he isn't sited its not because he playing his role, its because is not trying to kick goals and well we should try Paul Bevan instead.

I say to those who aren't yet aware of the new Nick Davis (ie the anti Nick Davis group) open your eyes and see two things

1) its August 2007 and
2) Nick Davis is playing a completely different role to the one he was playing between 2003 and July 2006.

Soon some people get that, the better understood Nick Davis will be in his new role.

Rubbish - he hasn't done anything this year and to be honest i havent got time to read all of your post which is just saying the same thing over.

Until he dominates a handful of games this year and isn't shut down week after week then my tune will change. As it stands Nick Davis is extremelly over rated.

I have been waitng for 4 years too see Nick Davis dominate games, thus far he has only done it once.

[BurgandiLove]

What absolute drivel. Nick Davis is the only player in the side at the moment that you'd back with any confidence kicking a goal from 40+ metres out - Look on the weekend where Ablett, Hall, Schneider to name a few all failed from that distance. When other sides bomb them from there regularly to beat the flood, it makes our deficiencies in this area all the more glaring.

Apart from being our most reliable shot at goal he also adds skill and clean disposal to our otherwise skill-lacking midfield.

Not disputing he has some talent, we just hardly see it and it's hard to not feel cynical.

And i can't take someone with a Nick Davis avatar, an obsession for the guy and a healthy distaste for Paul Roos as an objective point of view. So think before you call my posts drival fanboy!

[robbieando]

yeah but how many games has nick dominated this year? None.

Because that's NOT HIS ROLE. Why can't that point get though your head?

It's never Nicks fault is it?

Name one thing he has done wrong this year, outside his role within the team, that has cost us a match??? If you can then you have a point. If not then you can't point the finger.

For such a hyped player he does nothing at all.

There are far more hyped players on the Swans side. As for hyped players doing nothing at all, there is an All Australian who is delivering his worst season at the club and yet you pick on a player who is playing his role in the team as required, which is an improvement on last season for that player and gain as far as the coaching stuff is concerned.

But you wouldn't even know what his role in the team is because you still think he is a full time Forward

[hammo]

And i can't take someone with a Nick Davis avatar, an obsession for the guy and a healthy distaste for Paul Roos as an objective point of view. So think before you call my posts drival fanboy!

Fair enough points re Nick Davis but you're wrong to say I have a healthy distaste for Roos - I just question some of his tactics from time to time.

[BurgandiLove]

Ahhh aggressive Robbie Ando, the guy who knows it all and is always right - while belittles others point of views. Oh wow you have done it again.

No Nick Davis is extremely overrated. Take a player like Leon Davis - why can't our Davis be like him? Why can't he bob up and score brilliant and freakish goals? Oh thats right Nick does ummm (insert excuse from the Nick Davis aplogists)

[stellation]

yeah but how many games has nick dominated this year? None. It's never Nicks fault is it?

For such a hyped player he does nothing at all.

I was responding to the original post, although reading over it I'm not too sure what it was trying to say beyond "blurgh". I read it was Davis' fault that we did not win because he didn't pop up to win the game off his own boot. I think it is fair to say that failing to win a game can pretty rarely be attributed to one player.

[reigning premier]

You can blame Davis all you like....

But when you've had a draw, and you look at your "number 1 fwd's" return of 1 goal, 5 behinds, It's pretty apparent where the problem is.

[Lucky Knickers]

I have been waitng for 4 years too see Nick Davis dominate games, thus far he has only done it once.

All players need to do their piece for us to win. Sadly we actually did get more than enough scoring shots to put that game away on the weekend.

It wasn't Nick Davis missing them!

A couple of defensive lapses at the clearances at the commencement of the 4th Qtr cost us dearly. Can't blame Nick for that.

You might need your glasses checked - clearly you slept through second half of the semi against Geelong in 2005 - 18 possession and 4 goals! .

[swantastic]

I'm framing this post.

(Bet you choked on those words, pet!!)

If you only knew Annie

[NMWBloods]

Davis may well have converted 5-6 of his chances if he had them but he didn't and NEVER DOES create those chances.

He "never does"?

How do you explain him being one of the leading goalkickers for the Swans in the past four years?

And Hall is obviously far and away the main target in the Swans' forward line.