Hall - Great trade bait!

[NMWBloods]

You're right - that is NOT realistic for blind barry.

It's not realistic for ANYONE!!

So, as I said, he had a good year last year and the year before.

[AnnieH]

It's not realistic for ANYONE!!

So, as I said, he had a good year last year and the year before.

Then that's the difference between you and me ... I expect a whole hell of a lot more for my money.
You, on the other hand, are easily satisfied by mediocre.

[NMWBloods]

Then that's the difference between you and me ... I expect a whole hell of a lot more for my money.
You, on the other hand, are easily satisfied by mediocre.

You think 67% accuracy is mediocre...?

So now you think Kirk is not inspiring to the team and Hall has not played well for the previous two years (2006 and 2005)...?

[AnnieH]

You think 67% accuracy is mediocre...?

Yes, when he could be kicking at a theoretical 70%.
Up until he signed for the big bucks he was going great guns. He lost the plot as soon as he signed. It's been downhill all the way since then.
He shouldn't have been given the co-captaincy in the fact that it takes too much of his brain space away from kicking goals. Certainly a member of the leadership group - but not the co-captaincy. I think that pressure has had an effect as well.

[NMWBloods]

Yes, when he could be kicking at a theoretical 70%.
Up until he signed for the big bucks he was going great guns. He lost the plot as soon as he signed. It's been downhill all the way since then.
He shouldn't have been given the co-captaincy in the fact that it takes too much of his brain space away from kicking goals. Certainly a member of the leadership group - but not the co-captaincy. I think that pressure has had an effect as well.

So 67% is mediocre, but 70% is now good?

How is the 70% theoretically achievable for Hall when that's all Lockett did and you said Hall is not as good as Lockett (and he will never be)?

Why should Hall kick 90% when Lockett kicked 'only' 70%?

You said Hall signed three years ago - are you saying he was crap in 2005 and 2006? You are saying he played better in 2003-04 than 2005-06?

[AnnieH]

So 67% is mediocre, but 70% is now good?

How is the 70% theoretically achievable for Hall when that's all Lockett did and you said Hall is not as good as Lockett (and he will never be)?

Why should Hall kick 90% when Lockett kicked 'only' 70%?

You said Hall signed three years ago - are you saying he was crap in 2005 and 2006? You are saying he played better in 2003-04 than 2005-06?

Yes
Footy was a different game when Lockett was playing.
Hall should kick 90% because he's being paid $2M to kick goals.
Hall did play better in 2003 and 2004 and the first half of 2005 than he did in the second half of 2005 and certainly 2006. He played a total @@@@ 2007. Remember it wasn't Hall that got us into the granny in 2005.

[NMWBloods]

Yes
Footy was a different game when Lockett was playing.
Hall should kick 90% because he's being paid $2M to kick goals.
Hall did play better in 2003 and 2004 and the first half of 2005 than he did in the second half of 2005 and certainly 2006. He played a total @@@@ 2007. Remember it wasn't Hall that got us into the granny in 2005.

This is really quite silly...

[AnnieH]

This is really quite silly...

In your opinion.
You must remember, as a moderator Nick, that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[NMWBloods]

In your opinion.
You must remember, as a moderator Nick, that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Your argument makes absolutely and totally zero sense.

If I choose three occasions during 2006 when Hall kicks a goal instead of a behind, no matter when, then instead of a mediocre season he has a good one!?!?!

You expect him to kick with 90% despite no one in the history of the game ever getting close to that!?!?!

You expect his accuracy to be 20% pts better than Lockett's even though Lockett is the greatest full forward of all time and you say that Hall is nothing compared to Lockett?!!?!?

Although his accuracy is better and his goals per game is higher in 2005-06 than in 2003-04, you say that the 2005-06 seasons are worse because his accuracy is poor??!?!

[AnnieH]

Your argument makes absolutely and totally zero sense.

If I choose three occasions during 2006 when Hall kicks a goal instead of a behind, no matter when, then instead of a mediocre season he has a good one!?!?!

You expect him to kick with 90% despite no one in the history of the game ever getting close to that!?!?!

You expect his accuracy to be 20% pts better than Lockett's even though Lockett is the greatest full forward of all time and you say that Hall is nothing compared to Lockett?!!?!?

Although his accuracy is better and his goals per game is higher in 2005-06 than in 2003-04, you say that the 2005-06 seasons are worse because his accuracy is poor??!?!

It makes no sense to you. I can't help that.

Like I said before ... Lockett played in a different era (albeit only a few years ago - but the game was a lot different). What was 70% for Lockett - should, theoretically, be 90% for Blind Barry. That's how much the game has evolved. The game is faster, the players fitter, medical advances, etc. etc. Now when Barry signed that big contract, his game began to suffer. So slowly at first, you wouldn't have noticed it - oh, Blind Barry's just having an off day. Well, you put two seasons worth of off-days together, and Blind Barry is a has-been.

I've been saying it for most the season.
Being a co-captain hasn't helped him. It's too much pressure for him.

You can give up and stop baiting me now. You're not going to sway my opinion.

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This is silly, tell me a full forward who has kicked 90% in one season in the history of the game.

[Mike_B]

Annie, how many times has it been talked about that despite the game becoming professional and so many things improving, goal-kicking accuracy hasn't? I agree with Nick on this one, your expectations of Barry are just a wee bit on the absurd side. I don't have the stats on hand excluding rushed behinds, but for a team to kick at 60% accuracy is good form.

[NMWBloods]

It makes no sense to you. I can't help that.

You could by making it logical!

Like I said before ... Lockett played in a different era (albeit only a few years ago - but the game was a lot different). What was 70% for Lockett - should, theoretically, be 90% for Blind Barry. That's how much the game has evolved. The game is faster, the players fitter, medical advances, etc. etc.

And where is the evidence to suggest that players are now kicking goals with enormous increases in accuracy? There is no evidence in the game to support that at all and there is no reason why the speed of the game or medical advances will help with goalkicking accuracy.

Now when Barry signed that big contract, his game began to suffer. So slowly at first, you wouldn't have noticed it - oh, Blind Barry's just having an off day. Well, you put two seasons worth of off-days together, and Blind Barry is a has-been.

So 2006 was a season of off-days?!?!?!

I've been saying it for most the season.
Being a co-captain hasn't helped him. It's too much pressure for him.

You can give up and stop baiting me now. You're not going to sway my opinion.

All that you just said then is irrelevant (again) to his performance in 2005 and 2006.

[AnnieH]

All I'm saying is that Blind Barry could have done a whole lot better.
IN MY EYES - he's been a major let down.

[Nolie]

That's exactly my point. Hall's accuracy last year is only just behind Lockett's so obviously had a pretty good year in 2006 with his accuracy.

As a West Australian it amuses me how loyal the Sydneyside supporters are about "Blind" (I love that terminology - well done Annie Haddad) Barry. I flew over to Sydney last year for the Preliminary Final against Freo. Both me and my daughters boyfriend thought Barry hall was absolute crap in that game - made some mind-numbingly dumb decisions - one of his attempted handballs almost single handedly got Freo back in the game - within 2 points in the 3rd quarter. He was made to look good in the last quarter when he kicked a few goals when the game was over.
He absolutely frustrated the @@@@ out of us that night. When we left the stadium we voiced our opinion about how crap was Hall but every Sydney supporter we said this to attacked us. They just seemingly loved Barry because he was the big bloke at the top of the square. Is it a throwback to Rugby where I understand in Rugby you have one main guy at the front who everyone admires and takes their lead from?
It just doesn't work that way in Aussie Rules. Hall proved the hack he was the week after in the Grand Final and again throughout season 2007.

How can you have a serial complainer like him as a co-captain?

Put the Irishman at full-forward. We need his Irish trickery alongside Davis.