Collingwood breaks ties with Williamstown

[Layby]

So why did you state it as fact two posts ago??

It's not confirmed at all.

Because ACT comp looks old

Derrr

[goswannie14]

How is it more important if we cannot afford to sustain the cost of playing in the VFL? The club doesn't exactly have spare change lying around the place.

What I meant is it's not my problem, that's the clubs concern, in the same way recruiting is. No matter what I think or worry about, the club will handle it.

BTW a $5.00 increase on every membership would pay for the travel. We would only have to pay for our own travel, other teams travel is their concern in the same way it is now to get to the country venues and Tasmanis.

[hammo]

We would only have to pay for our own travel, other teams travel is their concern in the same way it is now to get to the country venues and Tasmanis.

It will be our concern if the other clubs veto our entry because of cost considerations.

[Layby]

You think $150,000 will cover all the expenses of a VFL team, including travel ?

[goswannie14]

Its more than wishful thinking at this stage. How are we going to afford to fly 22 players down every 2nd week, plus who pays for teams to fly up here for our home games?

Some interesting comments on this forum: http://www.vflfooty.com/modules.php?...asc&highlight=

What I meant is it's not my problem, that's the clubs concern, in the same way recruiting is. No matter what I think or worry about, the club will handle it.

BTW a $5.00 increase on every membership would pay for the travel. We would only have to pay for our own travel, other teams travel is their concern in the same way it is now to get to the country venues and Tasmania.

You think $150,000 will cover all the expenses of a VFL team, including travel ?

If you read these posts you will see that it was a discussion about the travel costs. The normal team expenses are being met now, where they play is irrelevant, those costs will still be the same.

I based the assumptions on return travel Melbourne to Sydney being say $300.00. Multiply that by 22 players, and say 18 support staff. That will cost $12000.00 per round. Multiply by 11 away rounds equals $132,000.00.

To be paid for by $5.00 membership increase for 30,000 members.

[Layby]

I think you will find that the VFL requires you to pay more than just a 'turning up' fee to enter their competetion.

If you think $150,000 will get even close to the additional expenses of ACT comp vs VFL, you are living in la la land

[goswannie14]

I think you will find that the VFL requires you to pay more than just a 'turning up' fee to enter their competetion.

If you think $150,000 will get even close to the additional expenses of ACT comp vs VFL, you are living in la la land

Again you miss the point, we were talking about travel expenses. It's not that difficult.

[robbieando]

If you read these posts you will see that it was a discussion about the travel costs. The normal team expenses are being met now, where they play is irrelevant, those costs will still be the same.

The ACTAFL Licence Fee is no where NEAR that of what we would be looking at for the VFL's. Why do you think Geelong is the only current Stand-alone AFL Reserves Team in the VFL and why do you think Collingwood of all clubs are going to do it from next year?? Because of the cost's involved. Geelong have of set their's and Collingwood now have money to burn.

The VFL Licence Fee for an AFL Club to have their own Stand-alone Club in the VFL is twice that of a Joint-Alignment Club and a Joint-alignment Club's Licence Fee is twice that of a Stand-alone VFL Club's Licence Fee.

That IS THE ISSUE.

Travel Costs and VFL Licence Fee would set the club back at least $350,000 a season (most likely a little bit more). Extra costs, such as Ground Rental, VFL only Trainers, Salary for VFL Top Up Players and most likely two or three added staff. That could push the cost of a Stand-alone VFL Team to around $500,000.

We could make some of that back, one simple way would be just like how you suggested raising everyones membership to cover some of the cost. But with the VFL unlikely to fixture to our demands to have our games as curtain raisers anyway, why would most members be happy with that if they don't get to see the team play anymore than 2 or 3 times in a season? We can't say "increase in your memberships so you can see the reserves play in the VFL before the main game".

So why not a very small increase ($2 or $3) on everyone's membership (Australia wide) that gets them NO benefits for the VFL (UNLESS they are playing in the curtain raiser) to raise around $100,000. Then sell VFL Memberships in both Sydney and Melbourne as part of add-ons to the membership packages to raise extra money. Add in Gate takings from stand-alone games at the SCG (or where ever we play in Sydney) and then try and sell seperate Sponsorship Packages to raise extra funds for the VFL team alone (Geelong's VFL Team Major Sponsor is Bendigo Bank and NOT Ford), so we could hit up sponsors like Ford and Optus for jumper sponsorship and get around $50,000-$100,000 back from that.

If we can get $250,000-$300,000 to cover the costs of a VFL team then its a risk worth taking, but if we don't try and cover costs like Geelong have, then we might as well not bother because we will risk the financial footing of this club, by pouring $500,000 into a VFL Team for the want of better competition.

We got out of the VFL for LESS than that, I don't know why we would get back in for more??

[goswannie14]

Finally someone who can come up with some figures instead of just "smart" remarks. The problem of finances is solveable, the club just has to think outside the box.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

It was just announced on ABC tv that Collingwood will no longer be tied to Williamstown in the VFL. They will field a stand alone team in the VFL based out of Princes Park.

I might go down & watch a VFL game at Willy Oval now.

JF