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  • reigning premier
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Sep 2006
    • 4335

    #31
    Originally posted by AussieAnge
    1. I was giving the dictionary defintion of "thug"

    2. How he acts off the field has no relevance the issue is his behaviour on the field.

    note I have not commented on whether I believe him to be a thug or the act to be one of thuggery.

    1. Get a new dictionary.

    2. Harden the @@@@ up.

    No, you merely did that fence sitting crap but stirred the pot nonetheless.

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    • goswannie14
      Leadership Group
      • Sep 2005
      • 11166

      #32
      Originally posted by AussieAnge
      According to my dictionary thug means "a tough and violent man".
      Originally posted by NMWBloods
      One definition of a thug is a violent ruffian, so an act of thuggery is a violent act of a ruffian.
      The problem IMO with this definition being applied to Hall is this question. Does one violent act make a someone a violent person? I don't believe it does.
      Does God believe in Atheists?

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      • stellation
        scott names the planets
        • Sep 2003
        • 9723

        #33
        Originally posted by goswannie14
        The problem IMO with this definition being applied to Hall is this question. Does one violent act make a someone a violent person? I don't believe it does.
        Has it just been the one violent act from Barry then?
        I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
        We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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        • ScottH
          It's Goodes to cheer!!
          • Sep 2003
          • 23665

          #34
          Originally posted by stellation
          Has it just been the one violent act from Barry then?
          Ask McFarlane.

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #35
            Originally posted by goswannie14
            The problem IMO with this definition being applied to Hall is this question. Does one violent act make a someone a violent person? I don't believe it does.
            I didn't make the statement, however it's not that hard to put up a reasonable case that Hall is a 'ruffian'.
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • goswannie14
              Leadership Group
              • Sep 2005
              • 11166

              #36
              Originally posted by NMWBloods
              I didn't make the statement, however it's not that hard to put up a reasonable case that Hall is a 'ruffian'.
              I agree with you, living in the area where Barry grew up. (A friend of mine (a local) was telling me the other night that Bazza was banned from all three pubs in Seymour. Every weekend it was either Barry or his sister that were in a fight. The scary thing is that people were more scared of his sister than of Barry. )However, that being said, one incident in a three seasons, to me, doesn't make him a thug.

              I should say too, that when I met Pluggers auntie some years ago, she said that he was a thug before he moved to Sydney.

              Is it, once a thug always a thug, or can people change? In my business I would say the latter.
              Does God believe in Atheists?

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #37
                I think people rarely truly change.

                But it's more than one incident. It's at least three unnecessary ones (Maguire, Grant, Staker).

                And I didn't call him a thug.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • Matt79
                  Bring it on!
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 3143

                  #38
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  I think people rarely truly change.

                  But it's more than one incident. It's at least three unnecessary ones (Maguire, Grant, Staker).

                  And I didn't call him a thug.
                  It was not Bloods, it was me who originally called Hally a "thug". When I wrote 'thug' I did not mean it to imply that Barry Hall is a thug in general. I meant his action of throwing a punch at someone who was not expecting it was an act of thuggery.
                  Swannies for life!

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #39
                    Well Matt, you didn't actually call Hall a 'thug' - you said it was an act of thuggery. Quite different and not necessarily unreasonable by certain definitions.
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • AussieAnge
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 1057

                      #40
                      Originally posted by reigning premier
                      1. Get a new dictionary.

                      2. Harden the @@@@ up.

                      No, you merely did that fence sitting crap but stirred the pot nonetheless.

                      1. no need the one I've got works perfectly well.

                      2. What does that mean?

                      No stirring of the pot, I was merely responding to a post that incorrectly stated a thug is a person who attacks people for money (or words to that effect). I was also responding to Grim to advise him that it wasn't me who called Barry a thug.
                      Bring it on!

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                      • connolly
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 2461

                        #41
                        Originally posted by AussieAnge
                        1. no need the one I've got works perfectly well.

                        2. What does that mean?

                        No stirring of the pot, I was merely responding to a post that incorrectly stated a thug is a person who attacks people for money (or words to that effect). I was also responding to Grim to advise him that it wasn't me who called Barry a thug.
                        You really should get a different dictionary preferably one without pictures. The derivation of the word is precisely that of mercenaries who attacked people - thugees. The word still has that connotation. It has been used totally inappropriately over the last week either as a noun or adverb.
                        Bevo bandwagon driver

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #42
                          Originally posted by connolly
                          You really should get a different dictionary preferably one without pictures. The derivation of the word is precisely that of mercenaries who attacked people - thugees. The word still has that connotation. It has been used totally inappropriately over the last week either as a noun or adverb.
                          The origin of the word is from the thuggee cult in India - a secret society who robbed and murdered travellers. It passed into common English usage and over time has become used as a term referring to a violent ruffian.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • ScottH
                            It's Goodes to cheer!!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 23665

                            #43
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            The origin of the word is from the thuggee cult in India - a secret society who robbed and murdered travellers. It passed into common English usage and over time has become used as a term referring to a violent ruffian.
                            Thank you Mr Oxford.

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ScottH
                              Thank you Mr Oxford.
                              How did you know!?!
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                              • ScottH
                                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 23665

                                #45
                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                How did you know!?!
                                Pretty bloody obvious.

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