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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9723

    #46
    Originally posted by connolly
    The two Geelong half back flankers - Harley had 17 possessions and Wojcinski had 17 possessions. Davis racked up a mighty nine for the match. He gave two free kicks away with none for which indicates he played from behind for most of the match. He also has the highest ratio of uncontested possessions to contested possesions of our forwards in in the club. Davis was simply taken apart from the half forward line. He should not have been selected fit or otherwise. We needed more height on the forward line and White should have been given the chance. No doubt he will be next week. I still haven't got back to watch the replay but Davis stats are just woeful. My lasting impression of his performance is of him on the wing metres clear and being so tentative that he fumbles a slowly rolling ball over the boundary line. An embarassment.
    I'm sorry connolly, you aren't really providing much of a convincing argument. You said that Davis was hopeless because of 2 reasons, both of which were incorrect (granted one was just your perception of an incident), and now you are looking for more?
    Davis clearly didn't play on both half backs for the whole game, either way Harley and Wojcinski were both right around their season averages.
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #47
      Originally posted by connolly
      The two Geelong half back flankers - Harley had 17 possessions and Wojcinski had 17 possessions. Davis racked up a mighty nine for the match. He gave two free kicks away with none for which indicates he played from behind for most of the match. He also has the highest ratio of uncontested possessions to contested possesions of our forwards in in the club. Davis was simply taken apart from the half forward line. He should not have been selected fit or otherwise. We needed more height on the forward line and White should have been given the chance. No doubt he will be next week. I still haven't got back to watch the replay but Davis stats are just woeful. My lasting impression of his performance is of him on the wing metres clear and being so tentative that he fumbles a slowly rolling ball over the boundary line. An embarassment.
      Your arguments continue to lack credibility.

      Harley had 3 possessions in the last quarter, so your claim that he destroyed the Swans off half back makes little sense. He also had 1 rebound 50 and many of his possessions were cheap ones reversing direction on the back of the square. I thought he played a good defensive game, but that happens.

      What is the relevance of Wojak to Davis?

      Given the ball went into our forward line only 38 times how was Davis going to dominate?

      You have not commented on the poor stats of the other forwards, just Davis.
      Last edited by NMWBloods; 20 April 2008, 10:11 PM.
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • hammo
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2003
        • 5554

        #48
        Originally posted by NMWBloods

        You have not commented on the poor stats of the other forwards, just Davis.
        We all know O'Loughlin is immune from criticism.
        "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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        • Triple B
          Formerly 'BBB'
          • Feb 2003
          • 6999

          #49
          Originally posted by hammo
          We all know O'Loughlin is immune from criticism.
          MOL tried hard, competed well and was NEVER going to be a big player with the games best fullback, by a fair way as well, keeping him in check.

          Hence the main reason Hall is a major loss..... #1 defender to MOL
          Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #50
            Originally posted by connolly
            Hate Davo, Love Bevo!
            Yeah, we know!
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • connolly
              Registered User
              • Aug 2005
              • 2461

              #51
              Originally posted by NMWBloods
              Your arguments continue to lack credibility.

              Harley had 3 possessions in the last quarter, so your claim that he destroyed the Swans off half back makes little sense. He also had 1 rebound 50 and many of his possessions were cheap ones reversing direction on the back of the square. I thought he played a good defensive game, but that happens.

              What is the relevance of Wojak to Davis?

              Given the ball went into our forward line only 38 times how was Davis going to dominate?

              You have not commented on the poor stats of the other forwards, just Davis.
              The two half back flankers had 34 possessions between them. We did OK out of the middle particulalry in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. But we were comprehensively beaten across our half forward line in the first and last quarters. Magic was well beaten by Scarlett (no disgrace there - he's the best key position backman of the decade), Moore did well, ROK was up and about but kicked poorly and Davis was just missing for most of the game. His effort was particularly poor given that apart from Magic he was the most experienced forward on the paddock. Showed no leadership for the young players, was incapable of consistent hard ball possessions, put no strong pressure on the rebounding defenders and deserves to be back in the twos. Where he will be next week.
              Bevo bandwagon driver

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #52
                Originally posted by connolly
                The two half back flankers had 34 possessions between them. We did OK out of the middle particulalry in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. But we were comprehensively beaten across our half forward line in the first and last quarters.
                We had just 38 I50s for the game - the ball didn't go in to the forward line enough to make a difference.
                They had just 22 R50s for the game - not particularly high.
                A half bank flanker getting 17 possessions is nothing special.
                Harley had just 3 in the last qtr, so hardly destroyed us.
                Wojak was on a different forward.
                Last edited by NMWBloods; 20 April 2008, 10:36 PM.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • dimelb
                  pr. dim-melb; m not f
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 6889

                  #53
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  We had just 38 I50s for the game - the ball didn't go in to the forward line enough to make a difference.
                  They had just 22 R50s for the game - not particularly high.
                  A half bank flanker getting 17 possessions is nothing special.
                  Harley had just 3 in the last qtr, so hardly destroyed us.
                  Wojak was on a different forward.
                  In other words, connolly's initials are BS.
                  He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                  • Triple B
                    Formerly 'BBB'
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6999

                    #54
                    Originally posted by dimelb
                    In other words, connolly's initials are BS.
                    Bevan Supporter.....guess that fits.
                    Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                    • connolly
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 2461

                      #55
                      Originally posted by dimelb
                      In other words, connolly's initials are BS.
                      Because I had the temerity to point out the bleeding obvious. That an experienced forward who racked up all of 9 touches, with one goal and one oob, had one contested possession out of three in a red hot game whilst his opponent had 17 possessions, actually played a shocker?
                      Bevo bandwagon driver

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                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        #56
                        Originally posted by connolly
                        Because I had the temerity to point out the bleeding obvious. That an experienced forward who racked up all of 9 touches, with one goal and one oob, had one contested possession out of three in a red hot game whilst his opponent had 17 possessions, actually played a shocker?
                        No, because when another player, namely Paul Bevan, has a game like that, which is more often than not, you crap on about his best on ground performance, or make excuses for him.
                        Does God believe in Atheists?

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9723

                          #57
                          Bevan got a little bit of the pill yesterday but honestly didn't seem particuarly good to me. If the ratio of contested to uncontested possessions is a true sign of being hard at the footy what does it say about Paul's game? With his 17 possessions overall 2 of them were contested, Davis had more contested possessions from his total of 10 overall. 10 uncontested marks contributed to Paul's 17 disposals.

                          Did connolly post much after last week's game when Bevan was, arguably, worst on ground for the Swans?
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • Lucky Knickers
                            Fandom of Fabulousness
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 4220

                            #58
                            I thought the team did well on the weekend. Davis and MOL were always going to have a tough job agst Cats defence. I think it showed the skill class difference between the Cats and us. Which is about right. We have some very young kids in our midfield and that was where we got smashed. Add to that no Barry Hall and no Kennelly what realistic chance were we?
                            I thought the team did extraordinarily well to get back so close. I didn't think anyone had a real shocker to be honest. Bevo and Jack did reasonably well on Ablett and will only get better from the experience.
                            There was lots to be pleased about. Jolly was awesome, Bird had his best by far, Leo was ok, Ablett and ROK were good.
                            We got beaten by a superb team who look the goods for another flag. We clawed our way back from a huge gap at Q1 and only got run over in the end.

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                            • ScottH
                              It's Goodes to cheer!!
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 23665

                              #59
                              I think it has a lot to do with expectations.

                              We expect Davis to play well. When he doesn't he's had a shocker.
                              We expect Bevan to play OK to shockng. When he doesn't he's had a good game.
                              If these 2 player play the same, then the end result is the same as I pointed out above. One played above std, the other below.

                              Same with Mathews, his good games, are probably equivalent of Goodes poor game.

                              We know what both are capable of and what we expect of their games.

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                              • NMWBloods
                                Taking Refuge!!
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15819

                                #60
                                Given their lack of opportunities our forwards did quite well actually. And I doubt it was because of great delivery to them.

                                22 scoring shots from 38 I50s = 59% conversion.

                                Geelong 34 from 57 = 60%.

                                Other comparables from the weekend:
                                North 32/52 = 62%
                                Collingwood 30/63 = 48%

                                Adelaide 28/41 = 68%
                                Fremantle 21/45 = 47%
                                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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