The ULTIMATE poll

[NMWBloods]

Over the years I've heard a number of different commentators say that with the quality of his disposal and how smart he is with his use of the ball that he only needs to average mid teens to be as good as guys averaging in the 20s.

Which is why I think it is a quantitative thing, not qualitative. People complain about the use of stats, but in this case a simple increase in those stats (which aren't actually that bad now) would be a meaningful improvement in Davis' contribution to being one of the best players in the team. No need for fluffy, uncertain, qualitative, appearance measures in this case.

The myth about half backs constantly running off him is just that - a myth. I don't see him as meaningfully worse than most other forwards in the competition at covering his man, despite constant protestations to the contrary.

[CJK]

I voted for bevo as i thought the question was;

'Who is less of a tool?'

[connolly]

I'm abstaining on the grounds that the poll doesn't not have appropriate comparators. Bevo is an established first grader whilst Davo plays permanently in the reserves. Pick a first grader to compare with Bevo and I'm voting.

[stellation]

I contemplated abstaining on the grounds that the poll isn't an appropriate comparison. Davo earnt his 2005 premiership medal, Bevo was gifted his.

[Plugger46]

Which is why I think it is a quantitative thing, not qualitative. People complain about the use of stats, but in this case a simple increase in those stats (which aren't actually that bad now) would be a meaningful improvement in Davis' contribution to being one of the best players in the team. No need for fluffy, uncertain, qualitative, appearance measures in this case.

The myth about half backs constantly running off him is just that - a myth. I don't see him as meaningfully worse than most other forwards in the competition at covering his man, despite constant protestations to the contrary.

Yep, agree entirely.

There's definitely something between Davis and Roos or between Davis and some of the playing group. Anything else is just Roos playing the media and shying away from whatever the real issue is.

His performance warrants selection. It is as simple that.

[connolly]

His performance warrants selection. It is as simple that.

It sure does. In the ACT comp. But you are right there is a conspiracy against players that fail to implement the team plan, ponce around the fringe of packs and bomb for goal over the heads of leading team mates. Outrageous!

[hammo]

It sure does. In the ACT comp. But you are right there is a conspiracy against players that fail to implement the team plan, ponce around the fringe of packs and bomb for goal over the heads of leading team mates. Outrageous!

Nothing wrong with bombing for goal when St Kilda had a massive flood on and we had kicked 6 goals for the game. It seems every other team is able to kick goals from outside 50 except the Swans where it is against team rules. Bizarre.

[reigning premier]

Can we have tackling stats for forwards?

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Which is why I think it is a quantitative thing, not qualitative. People complain about the use of stats, but in this case a simple increase in those stats (which aren't actually that bad now) would be a meaningful improvement in Davis' contribution to being one of the best players in the team. No need for fluffy, uncertain, qualitative, appearance measures in this case.

The myth about half backs constantly running off him is just that - a myth. I don't see him as meaningfully worse than most other forwards in the competition at covering his man, despite constant protestations to the contrary.

But doesn't a high tackle count merely indicate that his opponent has no respect for him and is constantly trying to run off him??? How many tackles does Bevo lay in a game?

[TheGrimReaper]

It sure does. In the ACT comp. But you are right there is a conspiracy against players that fail to implement the team plan, ponce around the fringe of packs and bomb for goal over the heads of leading team mates. Outrageous!

I'd rather have Paul Bevan in the team than Nick Davis at the moment, at least Bevan is having a go. Davis doesn't seem to give a stuff.

[connolly]

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But doesn't a high tackle count merely indicate that his opponent has no respect for him and is constantly trying to run off him??? How many tackles does Bevo lay in a game?

Appropriate comparators please! Bevo is primarily a defensive/ quarterback whilst Kid Terrific is a small forward. Small forwards in modern footy are required to run down rebounding defenders much like a blue heeler after a pig. Davo performs this task like an over weight, slow sednetary spaniel shambling after a fast disappearing vehicle. Face it. The game and fast defenders have passed him by. Bye bye.

[hammo]

The myth about half backs constantly running off him is just that - a myth. I don't see him as meaningfully worse than most other forwards in the competition at covering his man, despite constant protestations to the contrary.

Matthew Scarlett has twice as many possessions as O'Loughlin on Saturday and launched some very good counter-attacks, particularly in the first quarter. Another clear double standard from Roos.

[NMWBloods]

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But doesn't a high tackle count merely indicate that his opponent has no respect for him and is constantly trying to run off him??? How many tackles does Bevo lay in a game?

Bevan manages about 2 tackles per game. Not so high for a "tough hard defender".

A high tackle count sometimes means a player is second to the ball. The best midfielders in the game typically have 3-4.

As I've said before, the best way to stop the half back rebound is to be a constant threat and kick goals, rather than playing a defensive approach (of course defensive pressure is necessary, but an offensive focus is more important for most forwards).

[reigning premier]

Appropriate comparators please! Bevo is primarily a defensive/ quarterback whilst Kid Terrific is a small forward. Small forwards in modern footy are required to run down rebounding defenders much like a blue heeler after a pig. Davo performs this task like an over weight, slow sednetary spaniel shambling after a fast disappearing vehicle. Face it. The game and fast defenders have passed him by. Bye bye.

And Paul "lightning" Bevan is the solution?

[connolly]

Bevan manages about 2 tackles per game. Not so high for a "tough hard defender".

A high tackle count sometimes means a player is second to the ball. The best midfielders in the game typically have 3-4.

As I've said before, the best way to stop the half back rebound is to be a constant threat and kick goals, rather than playing a defensive approach (of course defensive pressure is necessary, but an offensive focus is more important for most forwards).

You are entitled to your view but that is why you sit in the stands whilst Roosey coaches. And as Wayne Bennett says the day that coaches listen to those in the stands is the day that they deserve to be sitting with them. Your view of how to beat rebounding defences is eccentric at best and hopelessly outdated at worst.

[NMWBloods]

Bevo is primarily a defensive/ quarterback whilst Kid Terrific is a small forward. Small forwards in modern footy are required to run down rebounding defenders much like a blue heeler after a pig.

LOL @ "quarterback"!!

If he is defensive how does he not have more tackles?