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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #31
    Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
    Who was(ere) the small forward(s) that kicked more than him?
    Brad Johnson 2.8 goals per game
    Russell Robertson 2.8
    Steve Johnson 2.5
    Daniel Motlop 2.4
    Jeff Farmer 2.4
    Brett Ebert 2.2
    Corey Jones 2.0
    Nathan Brown (Rich) 1.9
    Mark LeCras 1.9
    Nick Davis 1.8
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • AnnieH
      RWOs Black Sheep
      • Aug 2006
      • 11332

      #32
      Originally posted by NMWBloods
      29th best goalkicker in the competition is useless?!?!
      If he was the third best goal-kicker in the comp, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

      But he's not ... he's 29th!!
      Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
      Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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      • NMWBloods
        Taking Refuge!!
        • Jan 2003
        • 15819

        #33
        Originally posted by Annie Haddad
        If he was the third best goal-kicker in the comp, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

        But he's not ... he's 29th!!
        You're kidding aren't you? You think he should kick more goals than Fevola or Lloyd or Riewoldt or Hall even?

        How could he be near the best? Hall is our main target and MOL is second. Then there are 15 other sides!

        That's just a ridiculous comment, as usual. Just sums up the absurd expectations and benchmarks Davis is judged on.
        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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        • stellation
          scott names the planets
          • Sep 2003
          • 9720

          #34
          Originally posted by Annie Haddad
          If he was the third best goal-kicker in the comp, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

          But he's not ... he's 29th!!
          Let's put it in perspective Annie, there are 16 teams in the competition. Most will like to go into a game with at least 4 forwards they hope will be able to score, so simplistically that is 64 forwards. Davis is the 3rd option at best for the Swans and is 29th on the goal scoring list. That's not too bad. 29th means that he is scoring at a better rate than some of the second options on a team... it would be interesting to see how highly Davis sits if you compare him to other third scoring options.

          It would also be interesting to look at % of overall team goals scored as a third option, I'm not too sure that the Swans were the highest scoring team last year so for a third (at best) option forward in that lineup to sit so highly he probably performed at a pretty decent clip.
          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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          • AnnieH
            RWOs Black Sheep
            • Aug 2006
            • 11332

            #35
            My point is that Davo has the potential to be the third highest goal kicker in the competition.

            Hell, he's even said that he has the potential to win a brownlow (his words, not mine).

            We have seen brilliant bursts from Davo over the years. Unfortunately, that's all we've gotten from him ... bursts.
            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #36
              Originally posted by stellation
              It would also be interesting to look at % of overall team goals scored as a third option, I'm not too sure that the Swans were the highest scoring team last year so for a third (at best) option forward in that lineup to sit so highly he probably performed at a pretty decent clip.
              In terms of contribution to goals, Davis remains at about the same spot (29th), contributing 14% of our average total.

              The only team with more than two players in the top thirty are Port Adelaide. (Note the Swans have only two also as Davis kicked more goals per game than MOL, but Davis is the third forward). So only one team has a more productive third forward in terms of goals per game.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #37
                Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                My point is that Davo has the potential to be the third highest goal kicker in the competition.

                Hell, he's even said that he has the potential to win a brownlow (his words, not mine).

                We have seen brilliant bursts from Davo over the years. Unfortunately, that's all we've gotten from him ... bursts.
                Goodes has the potential to be BOG every game but he's not. However, overall he's good enough to be in the side even when he's below his best. Same with Davis (who doesn't have the potential be third best goalkicker anyway - that's an absurd claim).
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • hammo
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 5554

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                  My point is that Davo has the potential to be the third highest goal kicker in the competition.
                  Just ia ridiculous statement to make. If he played Johnson's role at the Bulldogs on the end of that delivery from midfield, then yes he could. But how on earth could he do that playing as a third forward!
                  "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                  • ROK Lobster
                    RWO Life Member
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 8658

                    #39
                    Can we have tackling stats for forwards?

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                    • TheGrimReaper
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2203

                      #40
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods
                      Goodes has the potential to be BOG every game but he's not. However, overall he's good enough to be in the side even when he's below his best. Same with Davis.
                      You comparing Davis in the same line as Goodes then?

                      Davis can be lazy when he is off the ball, Goodes at least still tries to work hard, when he isn't playing well.

                      Davis is starting to become overrated.

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #41
                        Originally posted by TheGrimReaper
                        You comparing Davis in the same line as Goodes then?
                        Whoosh...
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • TheGrimReaper
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2203

                          #42
                          Davis needs to be firebombed to the extreme for not pulling his weight, just like stupid Ticketmaster.

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #43
                            Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                            Can we have tackling stats for forwards?
                            Davis does about 1.3 per game, similar to Hall and MOL. Well behind ROK. Certainly an area for Davis to work on.

                            Davis averages about 12 disposals, 1.8 goals and 1.3 tackles per game.

                            He should work on improving that to about 16, 2.2 and 2.3, and then he will be one of the top players in our side. He's not that far off those numbers, but needs to make more of an effort, and needs to be involved more in the game plan.

                            To put that into perspective, here are stats from some other small forwards/part-time midfielders in 2007.

                            S Johnson 18.6, 2.5, 2.2
                            B Johnson 19.3, 2.8, 1.8
                            B Ebert 11.4, 2.2, 1.6
                            L Davis 12.5, 1.3, 4.3
                            A Didak 17.2, 1.8, 2.0 (2006)
                            C Jones 13.7, 2.0, 2.4
                            S Grant 16.7, 1.6, 1.6
                            Last edited by NMWBloods; 23 April 2008, 10:39 AM.
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9720

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                              My point is that Davo has the potential to be the third highest goal kicker in the competition.

                              Hell, he's even said that he has the potential to win a brownlow (his words, not mine).

                              We have seen brilliant bursts from Davo over the years. Unfortunately, that's all we've gotten from him ... bursts.
                              I understand the frustration with his potential, but it really is just Mark Waugh Syndrome... and I'd possibly extend it to a newly created "Every man" syndrome; Mark Waugh had a top test score of around 150, but sheeeeeeeesh based on his talent that was a dissapointment. He was a solid player for many years, played in a fantastic side but was a constant source of dissapointment to people because "on talent alone he should average the most since Bradman!".

                              Every man syndrome? Every man who pulled on a boot will look at Nick Davis and think "sheeeeesh, if I had half his talent I would have been a superstar!"
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                              • stellation
                                scott names the planets
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 9720

                                #45
                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                Davis does about 1.3 per game, similar to Hall and MOL. Well behind ROK. Certainly an area for Davis to work on.

                                Davis averages about 12 disposals, 1.8 goals and 1.3 tackles per game.

                                He should work on improving that to about 16, 2.2 and 2.3, and then he will be one of the top players in our side. He's not that far off those numbers, but needs to make more of an effort, and needs to be involved more in the game plan.
                                Over the years I've heard a number of different commentators say that with the quality of his disposal and how smart he is with his use of the ball that he only needs to average mid teens to be as good as guys averaging in the 20s.
                                I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                                We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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