Aker implicates Sydney player as drug cheat

[connolly]

I am not doubting that what you say is true, but given that your most recent example is the Rome Olympics, maybe the sporting world (and the military) have realised since 1960 that amphetamines aren't all that useful in a performance enhancing context.

Thats probably right ROK. They may have been rendered obsolete by steroids and blood doping. But their advantage is their availability.

[BSA5]

1. If memory serves me correctly, and it often does not, Akermanis all but inferred the player he was referring to was Braun. You could work it out by the teams and dates he mentioned. It all started when Akermanis wrote an article indicating that he was sure he had played on drug cheats, sans any credible evidence other than his own perception (is that a tautology?). If anyone can find a link, I'd like to read it again. I do remember sitting in our local cafe reading that article and being dumbfounded at his stupidity for writing it and thinking he was in deep @@@@. There was no nead to write that article aside from sheer self promotion. If he had EVIDENCE he should have just phoned ASADA.

Don't get me wrong, Aka was a dick to write an article in the first place, but he didn't actually name Braun, which is the perception a lot of people have.

2. Perhaps we are writing at cross purposes. I am not suggesting that West Coast players are cheats, only that they had a (self described) drug problem at the club. Back to NWMBloods original linking of the two issues. I confess to having misread his post about the same people bleating about Akermanis and west coast drug 'cheats'. Irrespective, my own personal view is that Akermanis is a shallow callous egotistical @@@@ and that West Coast recreational drug users are just silly little boys who displayed a rather pathetic inability to keep off the gear.

OK, so we're arguing different things. I agree with you. WC boys are stupid little pricks. Just not drug cheats. And Aka is also a @@@@@.

However, to set the record straight on a couple of things...

To say Chris Mainwaring died from a heart condition is a crude switching of ultimate and proximate causes. A bit like saying Bonn Scott died from a bad case of vomiting or Heath Ledger died from over sleeping. (source: Article | ninemsn news.

No, it's not. It's not like that at all. All I was saying is that it wasn't an overdose that killed him. Mainwaring's drug use was not extreme enough to result in an overdose. An overdose is a very specific thing, and it wasn't what killed him. Drugs killed him, but so did his heart condition. If it wasn't for his heart condition, the drugs wouldn't have killed him. If it wasn't for the drugs, his heart condition wouldn't have killed him. See?

As to whether taking recreational drugs is performance enhancing, well the jury is out. I have heard different experts provide differing opinions on whether in the short term, use of amphetimines and methamphetamines promotes loss of sense of pain and increased endurance. Sadly, there are few doubters about long term effects and everyone agrees taking recreational drugs is specifically not permitted of AFL players.

Agreed, but I've only heard/read one expert say that methamphetamines are performance enhancing, while many more have said that they aren't.

Just one other thing, are you seriously unaware of this event a few years back?

Footballers quizzed over nightclub shooting - News - www.realfooty.com.au

Then there was Gardiner's 'handcuff' gesture.

That's what you're talking about? Given that this was a small, to the best of my knowledge isolated, incident involving two players who are no longer at the club, I don't really put that much value into it. I think it's a very big jump to say that a large number of WC players are hanging out with bikies and doing deals with them.

[BSA5]

I am not doubting that what you say is true, but given that your most recent example is the Rome Olympics, maybe the sporting world (and the military) have realised since 1960 that amphetamines aren't all that useful in a performance enhancing context.

Exactly what my response was going to be. Of course people would be jumping at the opportunity to try amphetamines as a performance enhancing drug when people were claiming that it made them feel superhuman. But it sort of phased out when people realised that it actually @@@@@@ you up, rather than enhancing your performance. Just because you THINK your performance is being enhanced doesn't make it true. Just because you FEEL like you can run all day, doesn't mean you can.

[reigning premier]

Exactly what my response was going to be. Of course people would be jumping at the opportunity to try amphetamines as a performance enhancing drug when people were claiming that it made them feel superhuman. But it sort of phased out when people realised that it actually @@@@@@ you up, rather than enhancing your performance. Just because you THINK your performance is being enhanced doesn't make it true. Just because you FEEL like you can run all day, doesn't mean you can.

That's not true.

My dancing improves about 16,000%..... And I feel great!

[NMWBloods]

My dancing improves about 16,000%.....

You just think it does!

[reigning premier]

You just think it does!

Is that what it is????

You mean to say that that over inflated sense of self worth and the feeling of love and understanding of all other peoples along with the ability to talk absolute frog @@@@ all night long is chemically induced?


Well I'll be....

[NMWBloods]

Hence the point that it is not performance enhancing, just stupidity and boorishness enhancing!

[Zlatorog]

I think that BSA5 hasn't been to any of the dance parties that go for the whole night or more. If he did he would have known that majority of revellers were on amphetamines that helped them to not tire and go on well through the night and most of the day. I believe here would be a trick why some players don't tire when you expecting them to.
Aker was just hinting that perhaps some of the players didn't tire the way you would expect and that perhaps they might have taken some drugs to enhance their endurance the feel of tiredness. Of course the side effect would be feeling like a wrack after that is finished, but after a game that's nothing strange. By Andrew Jones own admonition it was easy to mask it by recovering from it in time before the next training that is why managed to be on drugs for so many years without anybody noticing. Did he take them during the games to improve he endurance and lower his pain threshold we will never know, because, after all, he's not that stupid to admit, but there will always be a suspicion, which will mar his rugby carrier for ever.

[reigning premier]

Hence the point that it is not performance enhancing, just stupidity and boorishness enhancing!

You need to change dealers. It's only having that affect on you!

[NMWBloods]

You need to change dealers. It's only having that affect on you!

Okay...

inflated sense of self worth and the feeling of love and understanding of all other peoples along with the ability to talk absolute frog @@@@ all night long...

[ROK Lobster]

Hence the point that it is not performance enhancing, just stupidity and boorishness enhancing!

So it does enhance the major attributes of footballers?

[reigning premier]

Okay...

Hey.. You're the only one mentioning stupidity and boorish behaviour....

If the shoe fits...

[NMWBloods]

We are talking about footballers and drug takers!

[reigning premier]

So it does enhance the major attributes of footballers?

Why would they be performance enhancing off the field?

[ScottH]

Is that what it is????

You mean to say that that over inflated sense of self worth and the feeling of love and understanding of all other peoples along with the ability to talk absolute frog @@@@ all night long is chemically induced?


Well I'll be....

Not for most people.