Aker implicates Sydney player as drug cheat

[connolly]

I am not doubting that what you say is true, but given that your most recent example is the Rome Olympics, maybe the sporting world (and the military) have realised since 1960 that amphetamines aren't all that useful in a performance enhancing context.

Try baseball as just one example. This is an extract from the recent US media. Amphetamine performance enhancement abuse has rocked US baseball.

"It's going to have a lot bigger effect on the game than steroid testing," said Chipper Jones, the Atlanta Braves' All-Star third baseman. "It's more rampant than steroids. ... I think the fringe players will be weeded out."

In recent years, players have estimated that between 50 and 80 percent of ballplayers have used amphetamines. A USA Today survey last year found that 35 percent of players thought at least half were using them. The ban will heighten the physical and mental strain of the season, the aforementioned veteran said.

"The manager comes to you and what are you going to say?... 'Oh, no, sorry. I can't go today.' I used it on days when I felt shut down, to keep my name in the lineup," he said. "You're going to see a lot of guys asking the manager for a day off."

Greenies, a nickname coined by ballplayers because of the color of the pills, were introduced to the game in the 1940s. These amphetamines speed up the heart rate and have been proven to fight fatigue, increase alertness and sharpen reaction time. Athletes have used them to challenge the limits of endurance ? and mask the accompanying pain.
Amphetamines also are addictive and can cause heart attacks and strokes. They contributed to the first documented deaths from performance-enhancing drugs more than 45 years ago.

Players have ordered pills on the Internet or brought them to spring training after playing in winter leagues in Latin America, where amphetamines are available over-the-counter.

Now, there's a rush to figure out other ways to survive the season.

The veteran player points to the energy drink in a bright blue bottle atop his spring training locker.

"If they ever ban that, then I'll definitely have to say something," he said.

An open secret

Steroids have all but ruined baseball's image. So when the owners finally toughened up the drug policy, they decided to target more than the anabolic substances that have made headlines in the long-ball era.

Commissioner Bud Selig, in a letter to players' union chief Donald Fehr last year, made clear his intention to erase all traces of performance-enhancing drugs.

"It's time to put the whispers about amphetamine use to bed once and for all,'' Selig wrote. "To the extent that our culture has tolerated the use of these substances, the culture must change."
Baseball and amphetimines

Now does a certain aging star midfielder who could just keep running through final quarters, spewing his guts out but staying on the paddock who has admitted being addicted to amphetamines and was played in a Grand Final whilst an addict ring any bells?

[givekidsakick]

Aker's just dirty on a bloke who can match it with him.....and looking for a headline......still, he is a good player even if we have to boo him.

[ROK Lobster]

Try baseball as just one example. This is an extract from the recent US media. Amphetamine performance enhancement abuse has rocked US baseball.

"It's going to have a lot bigger effect on the game than steroid testing," said Chipper Jones, the Atlanta Braves' All-Star third baseman. "It's more rampant than steroids. ... I think the fringe players will be weeded out."

In recent years, players have estimated that between 50 and 80 percent of ballplayers have used amphetamines. A USA Today survey last year found that 35 percent of players thought at least half were using them. The ban will heighten the physical and mental strain of the season, the aforementioned veteran said.

"The manager comes to you and what are you going to say?... 'Oh, no, sorry. I can't go today.' I used it on days when I felt shut down, to keep my name in the lineup," he said. "You're going to see a lot of guys asking the manager for a day off."

Greenies, a nickname coined by ballplayers because of the color of the pills, were introduced to the game in the 1940s. These amphetamines speed up the heart rate and have been proven to fight fatigue, increase alertness and sharpen reaction time. Athletes have used them to challenge the limits of endurance ? and mask the accompanying pain.
Amphetamines also are addictive and can cause heart attacks and strokes. They contributed to the first documented deaths from performance-enhancing drugs more than 45 years ago.

Players have ordered pills on the Internet or brought them to spring training after playing in winter leagues in Latin America, where amphetamines are available over-the-counter.

Now, there's a rush to figure out other ways to survive the season.

The veteran player points to the energy drink in a bright blue bottle atop his spring training locker.

"If they ever ban that, then I'll definitely have to say something," he said.

An open secret

Steroids have all but ruined baseball's image. So when the owners finally toughened up the drug policy, they decided to target more than the anabolic substances that have made headlines in the long-ball era.

Commissioner Bud Selig, in a letter to players' union chief Donald Fehr last year, made clear his intention to erase all traces of performance-enhancing drugs.

"It's time to put the whispers about amphetamine use to bed once and for all,'' Selig wrote. "To the extent that our culture has tolerated the use of these substances, the culture must change."
Baseball and amphetimines

Now does a certain aging star midfielder who could just keep running through final quarters, spewing his guts out but staying on the paddock who has admitted being addicted to amphetamines and was played in a Grand Final whilst an addict ring any bells?

I think that amphetimine use in baseball has more to do with fighting the fatigue of their season (how many games per week) rather than enhancing performance. Like truckies, they take them to keep awake and artifically alert (and probably enthusiastic) when they are absolutley fagged. Sounds nothing like Cousins to me. Surely performance enhancing drugs in an AFL context would be more likely to be the ones used by endurance athletes (EPO or whatever it is that the cyclists use). Baseball is even more sedentary than cricket (I am not sure why they don't wear sweaters) - a catcher does not have to be able to run 'till he pukes - so to sya that Cousins drug use was performance enhancing becuase US baseballers use them is about as accurate as describing Bevan's disposal as "silky".

[connolly]

I think that amphetimine use in baseball has more to do with fighting the fatigue of their season (how many games per week) rather than enhancing performance. Like truckies, they take them to keep awake and artifically alert (and probably enthusiastic) when they are absolutley fagged. Sounds nothing like Cousins to me. Surely performance enhancing drugs in an AFL context would be more likely to be the ones used by endurance athletes (EPO or whatever it is that the cyclists use). Baseball is even more sedentary than cricket (I am not sure why they don't wear sweaters) - a catcher does not have to be able to run 'till he pukes - so to sya that Cousins drug use was performance enhancing becuase US baseballers use them is about as accurate as describing Bevan's disposal as "silky".

Precisely! I could have used the example of American football where amphetamine use is rife but apparently nothing to do with American football can be mentioned here.

[connolly]

Nah why not.
Here are some links.
US pilots who accidently killed Canadian troops in Afghanistan admitted they were use amphetamines:
Air force rushes to defend amphetamine use - theage.com.au

And a brief history:
1887 German pharmacologist L. Edleano synthesized the first amphetamines
1910 amphetamines were tested in laboratory animals
1927, Gordon Alles, a researcher self-administered amphetamine and found that when it was inhaled or taken orally it reduced fatigue, increased alertness, and caused a sense of euphoria
1932 benzedrine, an amphetamine inhaler became available as an over the counter drug until 1949
Professional football players started using amphetamines in the 1940s
1938 amphetamines were classified as prescription drugs by the FDA
During the Second World War 1939-45, amphetamines were used by the German military during WW II to reduce fatigue. [B]Soldiers on amphetamines were able to walk for longer distances. Soldiers were also able to run longer to the point of exhaustion. (Wadler and Hainline, 1989; Mottram, 1996; Hanson and Venturelli, 1998).

Footballers were using amphetamines as far back as the 1940's. And of course the Wermacht marched (and munched) on it. Th worst aspect of the Cousins debacle is the nonsense that amphetimines are not performance enhancing. AFL must be about the only sport in the world where that claim is made.

[ROK Lobster]

Precisely! I could have used the example of American football where amphetamine use is rife but apparently nothing to do with American football can be mentioned here.

[ROK Lobster]

Nah why not.
Here are some links.
US pilots who accidently killed Canadian troops in Afghanistan admitted they were use amphetamines:
Air force rushes to defend amphetamine use - theage.com.au

And a brief history:
1887 German pharmacologist L. Edleano synthesized the first amphetamines
1910 amphetamines were tested in laboratory animals
1927, Gordon Alles, a researcher self-administered amphetamine and found that when it was inhaled or taken orally it reduced fatigue, increased alertness, and caused a sense of euphoria
1932 benzedrine, an amphetamine inhaler became available as an over the counter drug until 1949
Professional football players started using amphetamines in the 1940s
1938 amphetamines were classified as prescription drugs by the FDA
During the Second World War 1939-45, amphetamines were used by the German military during WW II to reduce fatigue. [B]Soldiers on amphetamines were able to walk for longer distances. Soldiers were also able to run longer to the point of exhaustion. (Wadler and Hainline, 1989; Mottram, 1996; Hanson and Venturelli, 1998).

Footballers were using amphetamines as far back as the 1940's. And of course the Wermacht marched (and munched) on it. Th worst aspect of the Cousins debacle is the nonsense that amphetimines are not performance enhancing. AFL must be about the only sport in the world where that claim is made.

But it seems no one uses them any more. Your examples are not relevant. A fighter pilot would not take the same drugs to enhance performance as a footballer.

[connolly]

But it seems no one uses them any more. Your examples are not relevant. A fighter pilot would not take the same drugs to enhance performance as a footballer.

Well thank God that the German army hasn't toured Poland for 60 years.

The view amongst the leading sports and drug experts is:

Andrew McLachlan, a professor of pharmacy at the University in Sydney who specialises in drug testing, said that cocaine had the potential to deliver improved oxygen supply, enhanced mental awareness and a feeling of invincibility.

The potential effects of amphetamines are similar, with ice having the additional benefit of improving anaerobic performance. The effects of amphetamines last longer, providing benefits - and associated risks - for up to three hours.

"When you are tired and exhausted, these medicines give you the potential to refocus, remain stimulated and keep fighting on in a match," McLachlan said.

While the performance-enhancement qualities of cocaine were challenged in the New South Wales rugby wing Wendell Sailor doping case, and are reportedly being reviewed by WADA, there is no such debate about amphetamines.

Methamphetamine is a particularly potent form of amphetamine.

John Mendoza, the former chief executive of the Australian Sports Drug Agency , said there was no reason, in theory at least, why a footballer could not gain enhanced performance in the middle of a four-day ice binge.

"They go on a bender, don't sleep, crash and then three or four days later, start the cycle again," Mendoza said.

"During that period, their performance as an individual is much higher than it would normally be.

"Amphetamine is well known to be a performance-enhancing drug both in the sprint context and in road cycling.

"Why would that not translate into enhanced performance for an AFL midfielder who is all over the paddock?"

As Ings put it: "They build your aggression, they build your stamina, they make you fearless. They are the reasons they are banned in competition."

WADA threat looms for Cousins - AFL - Fox Sports

Now isn't that very much like a certain de-registered footballer?

[ROK Lobster]

Well thank God that the German army hasn't toured Poland for 60 years.

The view amongst the leading sports and drug experts is:

Andrew McLachlan, a professor of pharmacy at the University in Sydney who specialises in drug testing, said that cocaine had the potential to deliver improved oxygen supply, enhanced mental awareness and a feeling of invincibility.

The potential effects of amphetamines are similar, with ice having the additional benefit of improving anaerobic performance. The effects of amphetamines last longer, providing benefits - and associated risks - for up to three hours.

"When you are tired and exhausted, these medicines give you the potential to refocus, remain stimulated and keep fighting on in a match," McLachlan said.

While the performance-enhancement qualities of cocaine were challenged in the New South Wales rugby wing Wendell Sailor doping case, and are reportedly being reviewed by WADA, there is no such debate about amphetamines.

Methamphetamine is a particularly potent form of amphetamine.

John Mendoza, the former chief executive of the Australian Sports Drug Agency , said there was no reason, in theory at least, why a footballer could not gain enhanced performance in the middle of a four-day ice binge.

"They go on a bender, don't sleep, crash and then three or four days later, start the cycle again," Mendoza said.

"During that period, their performance as an individual is much higher than it would normally be.

"Amphetamine is well known to be a performance-enhancing drug both in the sprint context and in road cycling.

"Why would that not translate into enhanced performance for an AFL midfielder who is all over the paddock?"

As Ings put it: "They build your aggression, they build your stamina, they make you fearless. They are the reasons they are banned in competition."

WADA threat looms for Cousins - AFL - Fox Sports

Now isn't that very much like a certain de-registered footballer?

Much more like it. Why didn't you use that material first

[connolly]

Much more like it. Why didn't you use that material first

Sorry Ive always had very ordinary research skills

[BSA5]

Much more like it. Why didn't you use that material first

Ditto. OK, now I am starting to think maybe ice IS performance enhancing. Of course, this doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely no evidence Cousins or any other WC player was using it on the field. Also, just one point, notice how the US pilots killed Canadian soldiers, and the implication is because they were on ice. Clearly ice doesn't help your split-second decision making capabilities, something which is very important on the AFL field.

[connolly]

Ditto. OK, now I am starting to think maybe ice IS performance enhancing. Of course, this doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely no evidence Cousins or any other WC player was using it on the field. Also, just one point, notice how the US pilots killed Canadian soldiers, and the implication is because they were on ice. Clearly ice doesn't help your split-second decision making capabilities, something which is very important on the AFL field.

It can create psychosis and it certainly affects judgement in addicts. By the way the US military is reportedly working on genetic material from post-natal mothers whereby they intend to keep soldiers wake for five days!

[swan_song]

Quote: "They build your aggression, they build your stamina, they make you fearless. They are the reasons they are banned in competition."


Where do I get some?
Is there a chemist or pharmacist you could direct me to, one that might know about their effects on high flying footballers, not to mention jet pilots...
I'd have thought that to get away with being a drug cheat, you'd need a pharmacist/chemist's knowledge of the pharmacological effects of these drugs on the body and how to avoid them being detected in the system.
The truth is, I just need some to get through this thread...

[luvina69]

ever notice Aker the wakker likes to get into the heads of the opposition during the week leading up to the game.Just kick the rest of the crap out of him next weekend and wewill call it even.