Boycotts hit the Footy Show

[dimelb]

Personal maybe, but not crudely offensive?

[Plugger46]

It's obviously not for everyone but I love the show. Really look forward to Thursday nights. It's a refreshing break from the "political correctness" that we otherwise have to put up with.

As for Caro, fair dinkum. It's okay for her to delve through players' private lives and give every man and his dog a canning but she can't cop anything in return? The fact that she's a woman shouldn't make any difference, as they bag anyone and everyone.

[573v30]

In summary: she can give it but she can't take it.

[dimelb]

There's a difference between being critical and being offensive on the basis of sex/gender. I don't think Caro has ever had a shot at Sam about his stupidities with women - and God knows she would have had plenty of opportunity. Sam on the other hand is dumping on her because she is a woman. That's the difference. If it was just a matter of opinions she can dish it out and she can take it, as she does, week in, week out. That dummy stunt was a step too far.

[Lucky Knickers]

Are you related to Wilson?

And if I was that would mean what exactly?

Caro has never humiliated or demeaned a player based on gender in any way that could come close to Sam's skit. If she has I'd be very interested in seeing some examples that people here think are comparitive in tone and intent.
Whether you think she deserved it or not is hardly the point and it is not caro that has taken this any further. AFAIK she has not engaged in any further discussion on the issue.
If any player wishes to disagree with an opinion piece there is a way to do that but feeling up a doll dressed in underwear with her photo stapled to it on prime time was poor form and not funny at all.
I don't really get why any person would want to defend it. Do you really think that that image has done anything positive for TFS, Ch9 or Sammy himself? It was poorly thought out.

[CureTheSane]

There's a difference between being critical and being offensive on the basis of sex/gender. I don't think Caro has ever had a shot at Sam about his stupidities with women - and God knows she would have had plenty of opportunity. Sam on the other hand is dumping on her because she is a woman. That's the difference. If it was just a matter of opinions she can dish it out and she can take it, as she does, week in, week out. That dummy stunt was a step too far.

I agree with all of that.

What I would add though, is that the outcome should have been a resentment towards Sam, Gary, and whoever else was directly involved.
It really is a personal issue between her and those who created the stunt.
They can sort out their differences (is she wants to), but publicly, she needs to suck it up and move on.

[dimelb]

What I would add though, is that the outcome should have been a resentment towards Sam, Gary, and whoever else was directly involved.
It really is a personal issue between her and those who created the stunt.
They can sort out their differences (is she wants to), but publicly, she needs to suck it up and move on.

I think that's a fair comment, and I think in fact that's what she's done. It now looks as though others will take the issue of how women are treated further -advertisers (the ANZ and others), viewers (ratings) etc.
Just to round out the picture, I really like the Sunday Footy Show. They often carry on like a bunch of overgrown boofy boys, but they are genuinely amusing and entertaining and knowledgeable. And I've never seen them rubbishing women.

[CureTheSane]

I tend to watch the Thursday footy show, only because it's on after Ramsay.

And then because I have the footy show on in the background (usually while I'm doing work on my computer) I miss the Family gut (see what cheeses me off thread )

Like most I thought it was cool to start with, then Eddie became just too obnoxious to watch, so I switched off.
Then he left.
Then I gave it another go.
Then I realised that it was the same old crap that it was before, but a little bit better with no Eddie but a little bit worse because the new hosts were average.
Then I had it on in teh background a few times and it became ok.
I kind of watch it, but I don't circle it on my TV guide every week.....

[ScottH]

I've been boycotting it for about 3 years.

What's the big deal?

[TheGrimReaper]

I've been boycotting it for about 3 years.

What's the big deal?

I've been doing for longer, I cannot stand that show, or the people in it and the station it's on.

[swansrock4eva]

I think that's a fair comment, and I think in fact that's what she's done. It now looks as though others will take the issue of how women are treated further -advertisers (the ANZ and others), viewers (ratings) etc.

Spot on - yes it was in very very poor taste, but all these other groups suddenly seem to want to be jumping on the politically correct bandwagon. The ANZ has hit a potential goldmine by saying "let's show people who hate TFS that we can appeal to them by NOT running our commercials in their show." They're not doing it because they're genuinely outraged - if they had been, they would have pulled the ads the day after the incident, not a month or two down the track and after all the women's groups have had a hissy fit!

As to Caro - both she and TFS have said they have laid their issues to rest, and did so fairly soon after the incident iirc. It was other groups that then jumped on the bandwagon that it was politically incorrect etc etc. Caro seems to have sucked it up, which is what she needed to do to maintain any credibility (yes tenuous that she has any to maintain I know! ) - had she jumped up and down herself, she just would have been told she can't hack it in the footy world. If you're going to be a woman choosing to work in footy, you should understand that you're going to cop it occasionally simply because you have the wrong anatomical pair. If you do your job well, eventually nobody will notice that you're "different," but if you want special treatment to be able to invade the male-dominated footy culture, you're not going to get too far because you'll have shot your own credibility in the foot before you started by doing so.

[goswannie14]

Spot on - yes it was in very very poor taste, but all these other groups suddenly seem to want to be jumping on the politically correct bandwagon. The ANZ has hit a potential goldmine by saying "let's show people who hate TFS that we can appeal to them by NOT running our commercials in their show." They're not doing it because they're genuinely outraged - if they had been, they would have pulled the ads the day after the incident, not a month or two down the track and after all the women's groups have had a hissy fit!

The part that I highlighted is really what I believe is the case. ANZ has also pulled out of a few other projects (The Gunns pulp mill in Tassie is just one) citing the world financial crisis as their reason. This Footy Show "boycott" is just a political stunt by the ANZ Bank, and of course, some of the morons who are known as "The Media" are jumping on TFS bashing bandwagon because it suits their own agenda.

[Lucky Knickers]

If you're going to be a woman choosing to work in footy, you should understand that you're going to cop it occasionally simply because you have the wrong anatomical pair.

No you shouldn't. You should be judged on your merits which Caro clearly has been given she has been the senior footy writer at the age for a number of years.
Why should you have to suck up that sort of crap.

[swansrock4eva]

Why not? You KNOW you're entering a male-dominated profession and to ask for special treatment just because YOU have made that choice is ridiculous. By all means maintain your femininity and female identity within reason, but you also have to be prepared to be part of the team and that means copping it occasionally, exactly as any of the males within that environment would. I am female and I work as a professional at two footy clubs at the moment. I maintain my identity but I also have to be able to take it just as much as any of the other staff or players because that's how the environment works. If anyone tells me I can't do my job because I'm a woman, I'll put them in their place, but aside from that, I have to fit in if I want to be credible within the group. Asking them to go easy on me because I'm female will NOT aid my credibility. It was my CHOICE to be part of the footy environment, and I have to ensure I can adapt to that environment, not demand the environment adapt to me.

[Lucky Knickers]

Why not? You KNOW you're entering a male-dominated profession and to ask for special treatment just because YOU have made that choice is ridiculous. By all means maintain your femininity and female identity within reason, but you also have to be prepared to be part of the team and that means copping it occasionally, exactly as any of the males within that environment would. I am female and I work as a professional at two footy clubs at the moment. I maintain my identity but I also have to be able to take it just as much as any of the other staff or players because that's how the environment works. If anyone tells me I can't do my job because I'm a woman, I'll put them in their place, but aside from that, I have to fit in if I want to be credible within the group. Asking them to go easy on me because I'm female will NOT aid my credibility. It was my CHOICE to be part of the footy environment, and I have to ensure I can adapt to that environment, not demand the environment adapt to me.

It's where you draw the line isn't it. I don't think that TFS skit was acceptable. Would you seriously cop that at either of the clubs you work at? Is that what you chose?
I agree with you certainly that you need to adapt to your work environment but a work environment shouldn't ever need to include being humiliated or demeaned by your colleagues. I don't think that women stating that this is unacceptable behaviour is special treatment, I think it is a request for human decency and to be respected.
Everyone has their limits and boundaries. If they differ from your own it doesn't make that invalid in any way.