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  • BSA5
    Senior Player
    • Feb 2008
    • 2522

    #31
    Originally posted by ROK Lobster
    We all know that stats are meaningless. 4th for contested marks = can't find space, 1st for contested possessions = can't find space, and when he does he drops it, 46 tackles = second to the ball 46 times.

    Anyway, we all know it is not about performance, it is about attitude, and his pongs at the moment.
    Well then Kirk and Gary Ablett must be absolute spuds.

    I don't think his attitude does pong at the moment. He's putting in the hard yards. He's running like a man possessed. He's just being undisciplined. He's getting ahead of himself, trying to be overly physical. It isn't an attitude problem, as far as team mentality goes. He just needs to focus his efforts more effectively.
    Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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    • DST
      The voice of reason!
      • Jan 2003
      • 2705

      #32
      Originally posted by ROK Lobster
      Davis makes 4 times as many tackles per game than Playfair. Why is Playfair in the side if Davis is out for his lack of defensive pressure? Facts, feelings, etc.
      Playfair gets to 4 times more contests than Davis and when there actually tries to impose himself on the contest................

      Point is, tackles, defensive pressure, hard running are all meaningless if you don't have the attitude that says I have busted a get to get here and now I want the football so let me at it.

      Davis had that in 2005 (see last qtr of semi-final), he's capable of doing it but can't/won't/doesnt want to at present, hence why he is running around in the seconds with not a hint of a return.

      Get over it.

      DST
      "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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      • ROK Lobster
        RWO Life Member
        • Aug 2004
        • 8658

        #33
        Originally posted by BSA5
        Well then Kirk and Gary Ablett must be absolute spuds.

        I don't think his attitude does pong at the moment. He's putting in the hard yards. He's running like a man possessed. He's just being undisciplined. He's getting ahead of himself, trying to be overly physical. It isn't an attitude problem, as far as team mentality goes. He just needs to focus his efforts more effectively.
        You might be right, but I think it reflects a poor attitude if he cannot change his behaviour ie a lack of discipline = poor attitude.

        As it was with Hall's punch, I expect that the over physicallity is symptomatic of some deeper (probablt unrelated to football) disquiet.

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        • DST
          The voice of reason!
          • Jan 2003
          • 2705

          #34
          I see no reason to change Goodes physical style or attack on the football, hell the bump is still legal.

          Just need him to adjust the way he is going into the contest to get his body to make contact directly with the body and keep his body lower.

          DST
          "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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          • ernie koala
            Senior Player
            • May 2007
            • 3251

            #35
            It seems ironic, that a player who wins so many contested possesions, has this habit of running past an opponent who his fumbling for the ball. Surely the ball should be Goodsy's focus ( he'd win it most times), put the bump away Goodsy, it aint working for you.
            Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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            • ROK Lobster
              RWO Life Member
              • Aug 2004
              • 8658

              #36
              Originally posted by ernie koala
              It seems ironic, that a player who wins so many contested possesions, has this habit of running past an opponent who his fumbling for the ball. Surely the ball should be Goodsy's focus ( he'd win it most times), put the bump away Goodsy, it aint working for you.
              Spot on. It is the soft, lazy option too (though I must say, I have not seen Sunday's bump so have no idea of the context other than it seemed to go unnoticed by many at the ground).

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              • 573v30
                On the bandwagon...
                • Sep 2005
                • 5017

                #37
                [Mod edit : Quoted text removed]

                ...like Goodes.
                Last edited by Frog; 24 June 2008, 12:05 AM. Reason: Quoted deleted post
                I only support one team: The SYDNEY SWANS!!!!! :adore

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                • ROK Lobster
                  RWO Life Member
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 8658

                  #38
                  Originally posted by 573v30
                  ...like Goodes.

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                  • JUDO
                    Duck Hunter
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 82

                    #39
                    [Mod edit : Quoted text removed]

                    I have no doubt goodes will go to the tribunal and get off. And I will add that this will be ranked along any of goodes stella seasons.
                    Last edited by Frog; 24 June 2008, 12:06 AM. Reason: Quoted deleted post

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                    • ROK Lobster
                      RWO Life Member
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 8658

                      #40
                      Originally posted by JUDO
                      I have no doubt goodes will go to the tribunal and get off. And I will add that this will be ranked along any of goodes stella seasons.
                      Scott ranks Goody Stella too but I fail to see your point.

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                      • ernie koala
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 3251

                        #41
                        Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                        Spot on. It is the soft, lazy option too (though I must say, I have not seen Sunday's bump so have no idea of the context other than it seemed to go unnoticed by many at the ground).
                        Tried to run straight through the melbourne player who was fumbling for possession at a centre bounce, he clipped him on the side of the head with his shoulder...but the point is ...his focus was the man, not the ball. Maybe he's been reading the Mexican press and is trying to prove he's not soft. He just should focus on the ball. Leave the crash and burn to those more suited to it, like BBBH.
                        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                        • ROK Lobster
                          RWO Life Member
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 8658

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ernie koala
                          Tried to run straight through the melbourne player who was fumbling for possession at a centre bounce, he clipped him on the side of the head with his shoulder...but the point is ...his focus was the man, not the ball. Maybe he's been reading the Mexican press and is trying to prove he's not soft. He just should focus on the ball. Leave the crash and burn to those more suited to it, like BBBH.
                          I reckon the action you describe is soft, and that the harder play is the Bolton dive for the ball - hence my "soft" comments earlier. Cheap shots are just plain cheap. I think it is ok in a shepherd situation but when a bloke has his head over the ball the incoming player should contest the ball.

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                          • ernie koala
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2007
                            • 3251

                            #43
                            Originally posted by JUDO
                            I have no doubt goodes will go to the tribunal and get off.
                            Doubt it. He'll get 2 weeks if he looses. And given the hysteria surrounding his last escapes, I can't see them letting this chance go. He clipped the melbourne player in the head, he has 93 carry over points, no chance of getting off. I'm sure they'll accept the 1 week. And Goodsy can have another one of those talks with Roosy that he doesn't listen to.
                            Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                            • ernie koala
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2007
                              • 3251

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                              I reckon the action you describe is soft, and that the harder play is the Bolton dive for the ball - hence my "soft" comments earlier. Cheap shots are just plain cheap. I think it is ok in a shepherd situation but when a bloke has his head over the ball the incoming player should contest the ball.
                              Given the context of the game , I'd call it unnecessary and stupid rather than soft.
                              Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                              • Wardy
                                The old Boiler!
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 6676

                                #45
                                This is the third time this year that he has done something like this - he cant possibly get off this time, nor should he. I think Goodes is the bees knees, but for some to say "if we lose to Collingwood I will blame him" is just stupid. What if Goodes played and had one of his "gone missing" days? which he has had a couple of times this year and he has done pretty much nothing, what would the reaction be then?. I still recall those who cried "Barry Hall has derailed our season" and yet the team as a whole played well without him and had great success. To say that the team hinges on one player is silly.
                                I feel that Barlow will come in for Goodes, I would prefer to see Davis - but I think that Davis's Hogans Hero's style 30 days in the cooler period has been extended (after consultation with Roos & the Leadership group)till the end of his contract. Goodes needs to learn a lesson from this. Sure we would all love to see him play - but at the end of the day he has pushed his luck, he has to suffer the consequences like everyone else.
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