Will Hall get the all clear from the shrink this week?

[Dogzbody]

In all seriousness... they should put all this rubbish to bed and get him back out there doing what he does best! aka "get on the horse that threw you"

Lethal used to belt people all the time...Im not syaing its right, but keeping him caged up like an underfed rottweiler isnt going to solve anything either.

I read several papers, and BBB has said that not playing footy isnt the solution. Sure he may have things going on in his personal life, but if he wants to play, and it will help him with this stuff, let him.

...and if the argument comes up about his "value add" being suspended I'll jump straight into a Davo string and say "one brilliant quarter in 6 years doesnt make you a superstar, get over it and work harder"

Hally has added more value to this club (as a recruit) than anyone...including Plugger!

[sprite]

I would like read something like this in tomorrow's paper:



Give the Carlton back line something to think about.

Amd what if there is another brain snap - he will be totally finished as a player. The AFL would take great delight in deregistering him in light of recent events and publicity.

The media would go into orgasmic rapture over it.

One thing the Swans should push for when he does return, is fewer cameras focussing on him continually off the ball for no apparent reason other than its BBH. I am waiting for them to have one in the crapper - reporting on how he doesn't put the seat down when he finishes.

[connolly]

I would like read something like this in tomorrow's paper:



Give the Carlton back line something to think about.

Do you think a health warning should be printed on the back of Big Beamish Barry's jumper = "Scragging, holding and grappling are a health hazard and could lead to unconsciousness"?

[liz]

Hall needs to be in the side at the moment because in the game against Hawthorn we were a rabble, he couldnt have done any worse than some who played on the weekend.. The fundemental mistakes made were horrendous. Oh well who knows whats going through the minds of Roos and the leadership group - they could possibly do with a few sessions with the shrink themselves to get their heads around about what's going on Barry's head?

But we were a rabble the previous week against the Pies. With Hall in the forward line. And arguably the forward line was much more of a rabble against the Pies than it was against the Hawks.

Certainly the forward line rabbleness in both games can be at least partly attributed to the rabbleness elsewhere on the ground but at least against Hawthorn the forwards weren't giving away needless free kicks one after the other. So Hall is certainly not the clear answer to addressing the rabbleness and in some respects he has been a contributor towards it.

I am a huge fan of Hall's. Watching him strut his stuff in the red and white has given me more pleasure than the efforts of all but another half dozen or so players. And it's because of that that I applaud the Swans for what they've done, both for Barry's sake and the team's. Had he connected with Wakelin's face he'd have been out for the rest of the year, coming so soon after the Staker brain snap. And his stated desire not to be remembered as a thug would have been meaningless words. I desparately want him to come back and play some more good footy so that his career ends on the note that it deserves to.

Elsewhere people have questioned how another couple of weeks is going to help him sort his head out if he wasn't able to do it during the 7 weeks he was out. None of us has any idea what the real "issues" are, or what he's been doing to address them. But maybe him watching his performance in the first half against the Pies - not just the Wakelin thingy but the whole way he took out his frustration on all around him - might make him understand that regardless of the "issues" and how long they'll take to sort out, he's got to find a way to not let them affect his onfield behaviour. That's all that matters from a footy point of view. The personal stuff and how he deals with it is his private issue and nothing else.

[Wardy]

But we were a rabble the previous week against the Pies. With Hall in the forward line. And arguably the forward line was much more of a rabble against the Pies than it was against the Hawks.

Certainly the forward line rabbleness in both games can be at least partly attributed to the rabbleness elsewhere on the ground but at least against Hawthorn the forwards weren't giving away needless free kicks one after the other. So Hall is certainly not the clear answer to addressing the rabbleness and in some respects he has been a contributor towards it.

I am a huge fan of Hall's. Watching him strut his stuff in the red and white has given me more pleasure than the efforts of all but another half dozen or so players. And it's because of that that I applaud the Swans for what they've done, both for Barry's sake and the team's. Had he connected with Wakelin's face he'd have been out for the rest of the year, coming so soon after the Staker brain snap. And his stated desire not to be remembered as a thug would have been meaningless words. I desparately want him to come back and play some more good footy so that his career ends on the note that it deserves to.

Elsewhere people have questioned how another couple of weeks is going to help him sort his head out if he wasn't able to do it during the 7 weeks he was out. None of us has any idea what the real "issues" are, or what he's been doing to address them. But maybe him watching his performance in the first half against the Pies - not just the Wakelin thingy but the whole way he took out his frustration on all around him - might make him understand that regardless of the "issues" and how long they'll take to sort out, he's got to find a way to not let them affect his onfield behaviour. That's all that matters from a footy point of view. The personal stuff and how he deals with it is his private issue and nothing else.

Firstly - Does anyone know the real issues inside Halls head ?(and the media seem to make it up as they go), however what annoys me is that the club is more than willing to get on the TV and comment that he has to "sort himself out" like he's some massive headcase. Does your employer hang you out to dry publicly if you make a mistake? Has Dean Solomon been hung out to dry publicly by his club, made to look like a headcase over what he did to Ling last Saturday? Sure he got on the TV and apologised even then to me it didnt seem genuine or even remorseful - I havent seen or heard Harvey get out there and make a public statement as to the state of Solly's mind set has anyone else?. Yet what Solomon did was far worse than what Hall did to Staker and what Hall didnt do to Wakelin. He's got 8 weeks and rightly so - but this wont get anywhere near the publicity that Hall has received yet his action was just plain deliberate and dangerous. Maybe I just dont get it!

Secondly - Agree that Hall didnt do well against Collingwood, however I still believe he would be of value against Carlton. He needs to be on the field, problem is that he is such a target now for defenders who hold on and niggle him knowing full well that he might take a swipe, and ala Wakelin, go the dive just to make the matter look 100 times worse than it actually is. I dont know how I would handle that kind of harrassment week in week out.


thirdly - the over use of "rabbleness" - honestly Liz I expected better from you!

[hot potato]

Do you think a health warning should be printed on the back of Big Beamish Barry's jumper = "Scragging, holding and grappling are a health hazard and could lead to unconsciousness"?

[hot potato]

How is that psycho dude going to examine Hall and his brain to assess whether he is now mentally fit to play... he would have to be under the same sort of pressures as out on the field. He can't really stand him in his office and niggle and scrag and jumper punch him.... to see if he can handle it?
Put Hally back where he belongs, barging thru packs and scaremongering his opponents in his own legit way.

[givekidsakick]

its a truck load of bull@@@@.....of more concern were those blatant push in the backs which cost us frees....in the collingwood game. He can only be fed on the lead but I suspect that his eyesight is letting him down thus compounding the problem.

[Industrial Fan]

I dont think Freo are a good yardstick for anything.

The culture in their club is terrible. They can deal with Soloman however they want.

I dont think my boss would lampoon me in public - more because there is no public interest than anything else.

[hammo]

Roos was in a very hard position and I thought he did the right thing.

Look at the Kangaroos - they've tried to keep the Grant issue in-house and are being harassed by the media for it.

The same thing would have happened to the Swans had they not reacted swiftly.

[Wardy]

I dont think Freo are a good yardstick for anything.

The culture in their club is terrible. They can deal with Soloman however they want.

I dont think my boss would lampoon me in public - more because there is no public interest than anything else.

But is it necessary that Hall is hung out to dry so publicly? (that is really my main beef) But isnt the interest being blown out of proportion compared to the hidious crimes such as murderes, rapings, home invasions etc? I mean its a bit of biffo on the footy field -granted some incidents worse than others, however, the reaction in some instances is over the top when compared to real crimes.

[goswannie14]

But is it necessary that Hall is hung out to dry so publicly? (that is really my main beef) But isnt the interest being blown out of proportion compared to the hidious crimes such as murderes, rapings, home invasions etc? I mean its a bit of biffo on the footy field -granted some incidents worse than others, however, the reaction in some instances is over the top when compared to real crimes.

Hear hear, Wardy, in the end it is only a game.

[Pace To Burn]

But is it necessary that Hall is hung out to dry so publicly? (that is really my main beef) But isnt the interest being blown out of proportion compared to the hidious crimes such as murderes, rapings, home invasions etc? I mean its a bit of biffo on the footy field -granted some incidents worse than others, however, the reaction in some instances is over the top when compared to real crimes.

The trouble is you have @@@@@@@@ like Robert Walls on the tv saying things like he did on ON THE COUCH on monday "What Barry Hall did was worse than Solomon because Barry is a trained Boxer". What a load of @@@@. The bloke had about 10 amateur fights before he was 17. I've played with plenty of blokes who could fight like thrashin machines and if someone paid them to train six days a week they would have made it in boxing too. At the end of the day it was a punch, id much rather get punched then an elbow to the face. staker played the next week Lings out for weeks. But the blokes obviously got issues that hes taking out onto the field cause hes been getting held onto and scragged for years and hasnt reacted like that. In terms of the club and Roos, i think that it is unacceptable for someone to do what hes done(Hall) and i think the differance with Sydney is they dont run away from answering questions and giving responses other than the standard cliches like most clubs.

[big bear]

I couldn't give a rat's exit if we look stupid. Send him out there and tell him to get the freaking football. Tell him not to waste time playing for frees, or even expecting them when deserved, they are not coming his way so forget it. Just win the freaking ball and kick some freaking goals! FFS since when did the Swans answer to Andies Maher, Anderson, or Demetriou, or any of the opposition ferals? Get out there and win some footy!

Exactly. It seems riduculous to waste time finding out how Barry may react without placing him in the game situation. All the warm fuzzy talking to the half baked shrink will tell us nothing of how Bazza will react in a game. We cannot afford to stuff around. If Hall is physically fit he must play. My stupid protest is simple. I am not watching the football untill the club wakes up to itself and picks Hall. If he is fit he is certainly in our top 22.