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  • johnno
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    • Apr 2008
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    #1

    Adam Goodes and the best player in the AFL debate

    For some time now, during the last few seasons, I keep reading and hearing about who is the best player in the AFL. Obviously this year we are hearing about Buddy Franklin and Ablett jr. In previous years, its been Judd or Jonathon Brown, and prior to that its been Buckley, Hird or Voss. Never in that time have any Media people even considered Goodes to be the best in the AFL. I am of the opinion that not only is Goodes the best player in the AFL, but no one even comes close to him. The reason I say this is for the following reasons: Adam Goodes would have to be the most versatile player in the league, he has shown that he can play as ruckman, dominating that position and winning a brownlow(his first) in that position, secondly, he has shown for quite a few seasons now that he can play as an onball midfielder and dominate that position, even winning a brownlow, now if he plays as a permanent forward and starts to dominate that position too, which I have no doubt he will, than there will be no question as to who is the best player in the AFL. Players like Franklin, Ablett, Judd and Brown, until they can do these things as well as or better than Goodes, than there is no contest as to who is the best player in the AFL, those guys would be as talented as a pimple on Adam Goodes' backside.

    your thoughts people.
    Tags: adam, afl, debate, goodes, player, Swans, sydney
    • Kanga
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      • Aug 2007
      • 274
      #2
      Originally posted by johnno
      For some time now, during the last few seasons, I keep reading and hearing about who is the best player in the AFL. Obviously this year we are hearing about Buddy Franklin and Ablett jr. In previous years, its been Judd or Jonathon Brown, and prior to that its been Buckley, Hird or Voss. Never in that time have any Media people even considered Goodes to be the best in the AFL. I am of the opinion that not only is Goodes the best player in the AFL, but no one even comes close to him. The reason I say this is for the following reasons: Adam Goodes would have to be the most versatile player in the league, he has shown that he can play as ruckman, dominating that position and winning a brownlow(his first) in that position, secondly, he has shown for quite a few seasons now that he can play as an onball midfielder and dominate that position, even winning a brownlow, now if he plays as a permanent forward and starts to dominate that position too, which I have no doubt he will, than there will be no question as to who is the best player in the AFL. Players like Franklin, Ablett, Judd and Brown, until they can do these things as well as or better than Goodes, than there is no contest as to who is the best player in the AFL, those guys would be as talented as a pimple on Adam Goodes' backside.

      your thoughts people.

      Why are you fussed whether he is considered the best player in the AFL. Adam would probably be happy to be listed with the players you refer to & I am sure they feel likewise.

      As for being a successful fwd he may need a bit more than one game and 8 goals to prove it. Just my opinion. Unlikely he will continue in that role when he is fully fit - it doesnt make sense to have him fit and away from the midfield. Not taking anything away from his efforts on Sat nite (as I didn't see the match.)

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        • hammo
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          • Jul 2003
          • 5554
          #3
          Adam Goodes may be the most versatile of the players you've listed but he is also the most inconsistent.

          Great players don't go missing for large parts of games, or entire games, as Goodes has done throughout his career.

          Ablett, Franklin, Judd are consistently at the top of their game. Goodes only does it in bursts.
          "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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            • Lohengrin
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              • Jul 2008
              • 641
              #4
              There are some flaws with using Brownlow medals as proof of how great a player is (Exhibit A: Shane Woewodin). You can play 8 awesome games and 14 rubbish games and still win a Brownlow. Then there is the problem of how umpires choose to allocate votes - I recall a game against North in 1996 at Arden St where we killed them and Roos was truly awesome from CHB - 30 disposals and 2 goals. Didn't get a vote! That said nearly all Brownlow medallists are/were wonderful players but there are plenty of great players without them too.

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                • Plugger46
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 3674
                  #5
                  He was very close to the best player going around in his brownlow years but he's nowhere near it at the moment in my opinion.

                  Most frustrating player in the competition.
                  Bloods

                  "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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                    • connolly
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 2461
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Lohengrin
                      There are some flaws with using Brownlow medals as proof of how great a player is (Exhibit A: Shane Woewodin). You can play 8 awesome games and 14 rubbish games and still win a Brownlow. Then there is the problem of how umpires choose to allocate votes - I recall a game against North in 1996 at Arden St where we killed them and Roos was truly awesome from CHB - 30 disposals and 2 goals. Didn't get a vote! That said nearly all Brownlow medallists are/were wonderful players but there are plenty of great players without them too.
                      Goodesy has two. Only great players get two. Woewoful was anomoly as was that dirty little Doggie sniper. He may get three. Goodsey is one of the greats who is constantly talked down by some for some unfathomable reason. His record says he is the best going around today.
                      Bevo bandwagon driver

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                        • Lohengrin
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                          • Jul 2008
                          • 641
                          #7
                          He has the potential to be one of the best. On his day he is one of the best, hence why he has won 2 Brownlows (and let's be honest, not too many other Swans compete for votes, which is a help). He won't be widely considered one of the best until he is more consistent.

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                            • johnno
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                              • Apr 2008
                              • 1102
                              #8
                              Originally posted by hammo
                              Adam Goodes may be the most versatile of the players you've listed but he is also the most inconsistent.

                              Great players don't go missing for large parts of games, or entire games, as Goodes has done throughout his career.

                              Ablett, Franklin, Judd are consistently at the top of their game. Goodes only does it in bursts.
                              ummm, I know when Adam Goodes has a bad game, it is a very bad game, but out of 22 games a season, he might average 3 bad games. I'm sure in a season of football, Brown, Judd and Franklin have at least 3 bad games too.

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                                • AnnieH
                                  RWOs Black Sheep
                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 11332
                                  #9
                                  Give the guy a break - he's still got quite few more years in him yet.

                                  By the end of his career (and long after) Goodesy will be regarded as one of the "greats" of the game.

                                  Trust me on this.
                                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                                    • Industrial Fan
                                      Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 3321
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by johnno
                                      ummm, I know when Adam Goodes has a bad game, it is a very bad game, but out of 22 games a season, he might average 3 bad games. I'm sure in a season of football, Brown, Judd and Franklin have at least 3 bad games too.
                                      No, no. Even when Buddy kicks 3 goals from 15 shots, that's a great game.
                                      He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                                        • cressakel
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                                          • May 2004
                                          • 455
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by johnno
                                          For some time now, during the last few seasons, I keep reading and hearing about who is the best player in the AFL. Obviously this year we are hearing about Buddy Franklin and Ablett jr. In previous years, its been Judd or Jonathon Brown, and prior to that its been Buckley, Hird or Voss. Never in that time have any Media people even considered Goodes to be the best in the AFL. I am of the opinion that not only is Goodes the best player in the AFL, but no one even comes close to him. The reason I say this is for the following reasons: Adam Goodes would have to be the most versatile player in the league, he has shown that he can play as ruckman, dominating that position and winning a brownlow(his first) in that position, secondly, he has shown for quite a few seasons now that he can play as an onball midfielder and dominate that position, even winning a brownlow, now if he plays as a permanent forward and starts to dominate that position too, which I have no doubt he will, than there will be no question as to who is the best player in the AFL. Players like Franklin, Ablett, Judd and Brown, until they can do these things as well as or better than Goodes, than there is no contest as to who is the best player in the AFL, those guys would be as talented as a pimple on Adam Goodes' backside.

                                          your thoughts people.
                                          Couldn't have put your thoughts any better myself.

                                          In addition, the so-called experts fail to mention Goodes kicked 40-45 goals from CHF/HF in his second season (the year after the Rising Star in the Ruck) whereas Buddy was trying to get a kick and was in and out of the Hawthorn side at the time.

                                          Goodesy's only problem is his inconsistency at times. On the upside, he is unstoppable in any position when on song. Judd, Brown, Ablett, Franklin etc, etc are only unstoppable in one pre-dominant position.

                                          Goodesy is also durable and tough - you don't play 200 plus games as a Ruckman, KPP and on-baller by being a wallflower....
                                          Well somebody told me, You had a boyfriend, Who looks like a girlfriend,That I had in February of last year, It's not confidential, I've got potential

                                          Somebody told me, The Killers, Hot Fuss, 2004.

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                                            • cressakel
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                                              • May 2004
                                              • 455
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Lohengrin
                                              There are some flaws with using Brownlow medals as proof of how great a player is (Exhibit A: Shane Woewodin). You can play 8 awesome games and 14 rubbish games and still win a Brownlow. Then there is the problem of how umpires choose to allocate votes - I recall a game against North in 1996 at Arden St where we killed them and Roos was truly awesome from CHB - 30 disposals and 2 goals. Didn't get a vote! That said nearly all Brownlow medallists are/were wonderful players but there are plenty of great players without them too.
                                              You sure it was Arden Street. I think you mean Princes Park....
                                              Well somebody told me, You had a boyfriend, Who looks like a girlfriend,That I had in February of last year, It's not confidential, I've got potential

                                              Somebody told me, The Killers, Hot Fuss, 2004.

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                                                • johnno
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                                                  • Apr 2008
                                                  • 1102
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                                                  No, no. Even when Buddy kicks 3 goals from 15 shots, that's a great game.
                                                  I hope you are being sarcastic when you say that?

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                                                    • Lohengrin
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                                                      • Jul 2008
                                                      • 641
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by cressakel
                                                      You sure it was Arden Street. I think you mean Princes Park....
                                                      Yes, you are right. I knew it was some crappy suburban ground!

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                                                        • Lohengrin
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                                                          • Jul 2008
                                                          • 641
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by cressakel
                                                          In addition, the so-called experts fail to mention Goodes kicked 40-45 goals from CHF/HF in his second season (the year after the Rising Star in the Ruck) whereas Buddy was trying to get a kick and was in and out of the Hawthorn side at the time.

                                                          Goodesy's only problem is his inconsistency at times. On the upside, he is unstoppable in any position when on song. Judd, Brown, Ablett, Franklin etc, etc are only unstoppable in one pre-dominant position.

                                                          Goodesy is also durable and tough - you don't play 200 plus games as a Ruckman, KPP and on-baller by being a wallflower....
                                                          I don't really understand some of your points. Franklin has never struggled to get a kick or hold his position in the Hawthorn side. In his second year he kicked 31 goals in 14 games.

                                                          Are you trying to suggest those other players are not tough? Or that it matters that they don't play multiple positions when they can dominate their position?

                                                          Once Goodes becomes more consistent he will be seen as one of the greats.

                                                          FWIW - I think Brown is a bit overrated. Until he learns to kick straight Franklin will not be a great.

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